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all right you ready Martin hello and

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welcome to the show I'm Martin Willis

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your host and we have a great show for

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you this evening we have Jan Harrison

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from MUFON he's the executive director

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from MUFON he'll be coming up first we

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have Alejandro Rojas with UFO updates

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and speaking of updates I'm going to

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tell you the next I thought it was going

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to be two weeks but it's actually three

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Tuesdays I'm gonna be traveling and the

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first Tuesday next week we have Jeremy

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ray on from you might know him from

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hangar 1 he's going to be on that's a

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pre-recorded show on that one the week

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after is going to be Grant camera and

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that is going to be live on YouTube but

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it's going to be a pre-recorded show on

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kgr a radio which we are on so that also

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is going to be a pre-recorded show

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because I just don't want to do it in

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the middle of the night to be honest

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with you then on the the week after that

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I'm actually going to be in Vienna I'm

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gonna be doing a show live from there

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it's gonna be earlier in the day as well

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but with a avid listener he's trying to

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get some things together with some other

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people so that should be interesting

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that's three weeks out so for right now

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I want to thank everyone that supports

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the show anyone can do that

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that informations on podcast UFO comm we

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also have a very active Facebook page

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was which is updated every day if anyone

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wants to check that out oh that's under

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a podcast UFO I believe it says podcast

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UFO live shows on Facebook and that is

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enough chitchat for now Alejandro how

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are you doing hello mr. space good I am

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so jealous of you getting to visit

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Vienna I was in passes you know like

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last year and I heard that Vienna's like

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a more updated kind of beautiful version

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of Budapest although Budapest is kind of

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fun because it's old and lots of young

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people but I'd love to see Banias yeah

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yeah I'd love to see Vienna

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we'll have to compare notes we get back

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fun so what is going on in the UFO world

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what's going on in the UFO world well

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you've got Jan on today and this is a

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bit a bittersweet because MUFON was

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mentioned in the New York Times today

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I'm not sure maybe if Jim seen this

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article yeah and they talked about the

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symposium but unfortunately the

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symposiums already happened so it was

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like oh man they got that plug for the

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symposium in late but this story

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interesting so New York Times you know

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they release that story in December big

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news about Louise Elizondo who was at

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the fund symposium and and everything

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going on there with that program and

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since then they've done some follow-up

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stories one with Steve justice and some

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others covering some very credible

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aspects of the UFO phenomenon

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today's story was a little different

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this one was covering a gentleman named

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Rob Robert Bingham have you heard of him

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no Robert Bingham yeah he's been at the

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conference and I believe he's in the LA

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area Jan might recognize him especially

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when I mentioned what he does

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essentially he believes he can call in

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UFOs and often he'll be in the parking

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lot at UFO conferences standing there

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looking at the sky telling people hey

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that people will say oh my gosh I saw a

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UFO with him although personally every

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time I've asked you know what did it

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mean it's usually just a small little

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up in the air so nothing too spectacular

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that I've heard of but he certainly

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gathered a pretty big following if you

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went and looked at your emails I'm sure

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you would find some emails from some of

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his kind of followers or the group of

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people that follow him they've created

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this YouTube page where they all hang

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out and I've watched them in these

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videos because I have these people have

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contacted me and said oh my gosh we got

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something really cool but you know I

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haven't even seen any of these videos

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tomorrow

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Dantonio who because none of them even

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look big to me they have I haven't seen

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anything that looks that spectacular yet

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who knows I mean who knows what what's

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going on with the nature of whatever may

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possible about at least haven't seen

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anything that that really shocking from

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this group as of yet but I think the

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most shocking thing I've seen of this

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group is that they have an article

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dedicated to them in the New York Times

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today so that's really interesting Wow

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publishing some you know more UFO

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stories which is I don't know if

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previously they did too much with that I

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know they showed an article from 19 I

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don't know any they published something

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yeah not a whole lot and often what they

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would do would be tongue-in-cheek type

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of stuff so certainly this year has been

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great for New York Times articles coming

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out with very credible information you

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know a lot of people like our listeners

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who are really into the credible type of

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stuff may cringe at stories like we see

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today but I think what's important and I

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know this is something you know Jam

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struggles with daily is that you know

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this whole phenomena is created kind of

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a culture so it's a cultural thing as

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well and how people react to these

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different possibilities is another

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aspect of this whole phenomenon in fact

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Jacques Vallee used to speak to it and

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he used to argue that if the government

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doesn't really share with us what's

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going on then people will be left to

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speculate and that just you know

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perpetuates this culture of people

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creating these cults or different kind

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of groups around you know this

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speculation and he argued that's one of

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the reasons that the government should

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be leading kind of research and and

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giving the public something to to hold

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on to something to grasp when it comes

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to this topic but Jack's arguments

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unfortunately have fallen on deaf ears

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ears that thus

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but you know I think he's 100% right

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that when you you don't have anything

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official really coming out then you just

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have a lot of people it leaves a lot of

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room for speculation and I would note

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that you know we kind of talked about

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this a bit last time when we talked

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about this new project to examine

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artifacts or material from UFOs that the

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to the Stars group has started up but

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there's really no even it came to

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elizondo's group there was no public

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interface piece to that at all even now

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we just have Elizondo sharing with us

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and then leaked documents at people like

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George Knapp have been able to obtain or

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the New York Times have been able to

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obtain but there hasn't been any sort of

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public aspect to that program so we'll

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see what happens in the future in fact

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we're still kind of in this limbo where

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the Department of Defense hasn't even

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existence of the program or at least the

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funding for the program but they haven't

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released any official documents in fact

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the videos were really from the DoD

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which I believe they are so yeah the

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public interaction I mean it's been the

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difficult part when it comes to to all

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of this and well so long the lines of

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is that no Grum I've had people on the

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show that say what a wonderful thing if

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the government does not want you know

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the word out there how people go you

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know real fringe on the topic and and

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you know muddy the water and so no one

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knows what to believe and and that's a

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gift you know if the government is truly

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trying to hide you know things are

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they're trying to you know just keep it

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as secret as possible I mean if they

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method that could be used and I think

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would make a lot of sense I think

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certainly Nick Pope has spoke to that

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when he talked to the UK and how they

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dealt with things that really they

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didn't really have to do much because

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the public does work for them they

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helped them but it's also you know I

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researchers you just kind of kind of

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make peace with this it's just how

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people in the public deal with things

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differently and we need to just embrace

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that not get too frustrated but with it

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and then try to you know move on

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professionally and try to like what we

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attempt to do provide information the

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best information possible now you want

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to tell the we have about four minutes

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left here so knowing all the listeners

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that I'm doing on Thursdays at 6:00 p.m.

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our open minds YouTube page you'll be

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able to see me live kind of talking

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about the news for the week what open

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minds is up for up to for the week what

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I've been writing about for the week and

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it's called UFO seriously because you

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know now we're in I think this new world

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where people are taking the topic more

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seriously I want to kind of be a place

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where I'm providing more serious

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credible information and not to say that

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I'm saying anybody else is wrong I just

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want a place where people who you know

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maybe are more conservative with how

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they obtain their information to be able

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to have information that is more

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credible and it's also covering topics

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that are serious that are related so

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astrobiology you know spaceflight all of

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these sort of things one of the things I

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talked about was the space force it

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what's with this new space force is it

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and like I wrote in this article it's

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more about a conversation that's been

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ongoing for decades and how do we

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protect our satellites from the Chinese

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and Russians who are developing killer

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satellite weapons I'm sure we are too

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and just kind of getting into spending

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the dollars and prioritizing enough in

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conversation that's been going on a long

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that the president pulled out of nowhere

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although his sticking to this term space

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force its kind of lends itself to to

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more ridicule whereas it's really US Air

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Force Space Command which we already

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have a department for this but pulling

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it out of the Air Force and calling it

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just a US Space Command like pence

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talked about and and having this kind of

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six branch of the government that's in

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charge of this so that's the history

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behind it it's not necessarily something

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new although people felt you know since

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the Pentagon had just announced

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something in December that the timing

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was coincidental but Louise Elizondo I

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think he shared this and move on and I'd

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certainly have shared with me in private

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conversation and with others like on

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coast-to-coast he does not feel you know

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that the government has taken this topic

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seriously enough that's his goal that's

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what he's trying to seek for the

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government and and mainstream science

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and media to do and from what I

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understand they're making some great

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progress behind the scenes in that area

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but certainly and who knows maybe we'll

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see some lime item in a budget somewhere

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for a space force or defense which just

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got approved I think today that does

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take this topic more seriously but

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that's something they're currently

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working on just in the last few months

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and weeks here you know when it comes to

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like a space force and you know the

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possible

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like you said killer satellite and it

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starts to make me think well you know we

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get enough nukes to blow ourselves up I

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forget how many times many times and but

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the first the first country that would

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get say a killer satellite up there that

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could knock out other satellites and our

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defense system

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you know I mean it's just you know how

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what are we just gonna keep building and

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building and how many different ways we

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can kill each other you know yeah I mean

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it's very possible there are killer

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satellites out there already probably

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our top-secret projects to do that for

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instance the Air Force Space Command has

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a secret space plane they've been flying

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up there for a long period of time in

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fact shuttle yeah and it's been up there

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for it's been in and been able to be in

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space for like a year so we don't know

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what's on that thing there's other

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defense projects technically we have a

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treaty where no no government is

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supposed to have any weapons in space

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but these space treaties are not

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something really many governments take

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too seriously for better or worse and

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the the weapons they've been building

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are actually missiles now it's Star Wars

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during the Reagan era was something that

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they were developing to actually defend

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against missiles but it was a

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space-based laser that they were trying

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to build back then or I get at least get

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funding for it right who knows they

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print they might have built prototypes

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or maybe even working devices that are

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up there but that's kind of the

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conversation there yeah there's so much

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we won't know and don't know which is so

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who knows speculation that Oh which

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reminds me in UFO news just real quick

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History Channel in the ramped up for

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Project Blue Book has been writing some

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more stories about UFO cases great ones

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credible ones lévesque lights they wrote

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about but they also wrote about these

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UFO FILES at the Air Force destroyed

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regarding an interesting case from 1948

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so they've got some great stories that

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they're posting there and if you look at

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Project Blue Book History Channel you'll

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find where they're posting all those

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stories excellent ok alejandro thanks so

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much and all right thank you

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they'll be looking for your show on

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Thursday that is on the open minds a

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YouTube channel right open mind YouTube

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channel and that's a 3 p.m. Eastern I

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mean I'm sorry Pacific time alright 6

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p.m. Pacific oh sorry

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ok all right thanks a lot

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all right thank you guys later yeah all

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right all right everyone so our guests

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we've had him on I think he was on I

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possibly like a year year and a half ago

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I believe Jan Harrison from he's a

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executive director from MUFON and he has

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been in that position since 2013 he's

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done a lot of really good things with

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MUFON he was with IBM and the sales and

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marketing for 37 years ahead of that

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he's had an interest since the age of 8

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I do want to talk about his and I did

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last time but I love to hear about his

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UFO sighting ahead with his brother when

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he was very young and the whole

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mysterious circumstance around that

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can't take gravity and all that we'll

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talk about that so Jan welcome to the

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show oh good to be here thank you Willis

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yeah Martin yep yeah I was good to see

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you in and down at Cherry Hill in New

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Jersey at the the conference I do want

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to talk about that because that was that

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was really good I really enjoyed that

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and it's unfortunate that I was that

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Louis Elizondo had to leave it was

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really too bad but it was good he was

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there when he was there it was really

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interesting yeah yeah Louis did a great

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job I think it people really enjoyed

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hearing him and hearing his talk about

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the program that he ran while he was in

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the Pentagon got a lot of positive

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feedback from that right right and I

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noticed I noticed something that you

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were really keeping guard on him

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personally yeah yeah when I when I was

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speaking to him in the I think when I

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speaking to him in the lobby for a while

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you said isn't it time for your nap or

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something like I you were really

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watching you were you're his guardian

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through the whole thing you know you'll

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basically protect him and there are had

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those symposiums every once in a while

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you get a nut case that might come up

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and you know say actually whatever

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actually he yeah he actually he took

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pretty good well care of himself he was

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there with his daughter and her two

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friends yeah I I had so many other

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things to worry about he he was the

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least of my worries frankly though he he

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did a good job I think getting to know

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people and meeting people

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was a great opportunity for people to

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come and meet him firsthand and have a

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little conversation with him which i

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think is what a lot of people really

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enjoy doing yeah I was I was telling

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this a couple of shows ago that I don't

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know how long I talked to him for quite

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a while in the lobby and we were talking

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about he was talking about things that

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he collect and I was talking about my

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background and you know as an appraiser

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and all that I had a great conversation

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and after we say goodbye I realized I

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never once mentioned the word UFO to him

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at all yeah he's actually just he's a

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regular guy you know and he'd actually

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made it a point when he was running the

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Pentagon's UFO program I called a tip

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that he'd made a purposeful decision not

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to read anything about UFOs and not to

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research UFOs because he wanted to kind

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of keep his mind clear for the data that

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was coming in from the different points

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in the military so I think that's a hats

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off to him you know yes I think a lot of

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a lot of people you know complain gee

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why don't we know more why don't you

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tell us more this and that he only knows

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what he knows and he only knows what he

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knows through the program he was in I

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mean that's that's his full some

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knowledge which is extensive but I think

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a lot of people are thinking gosh you

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know show us the really secret stuff but

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I don't I don't think for from his

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perspective there's all other secret

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stuff per se but there certainly will be

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more information coming out very shortly

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that should be to all of our benefits

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frankly you know in your opinion who is

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the is the Pentagon actually controlling

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that or their people still connected

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that he's still connected to that are

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controlling that or is it or is it to

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the Stars Academy well that's a that's a

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very good question I don't believe it's

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the Pentagon controlling that based on

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the fact that these five gentlemen who

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stepped out to become part of tts a how

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put off from this you know his earth

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tech technologies is one of the top

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scientists you've got Chris melon worked

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at the very top levels of government

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including being assistant secretary of

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defense

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you've got Stephen Justice who was the

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maybe number two three four guy at the

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Lockheed skunkworks

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he got Lou who ran the feta garden

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program you know and then I don't know

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Jim semi van but I mean obviously he was

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an off

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in the CIA but these folks all worked on

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programs within their own part of

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government that let them know that this

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was a real phenomenon that it was you

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know definitely something happening

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definitely not us and definitely

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something that was very advanced and so

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collectively they decided to ban

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together and try to bring this

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information out from our government so

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they have just like I worked for IBM for

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37 years I have contacts back in IBM

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it's becoming fewer and fewer the longer

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I'm away because they're all retiring

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it's just like I'm sure it's gonna

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become fewer and fewer for them but I

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think they they're just trying to get

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that information out I mean who's told

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publicly in the LA in the New York Times

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and more recently that you know he was

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frustrated because he was seeing this

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incredible data which he was trying to

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share with his superiors and no one was

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listening and so we're we heard that

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before I mean that's been the story for

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70 years basically where we've been

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talking about this trying to share

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information on it and it doesn't seem to

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be anybody listening it appears now that

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they're starting to get the ear of the

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folks at least in our elected government

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and I think that's the distinction you

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know we have an elected government and

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then we have a government that kind of

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runs itself I call the bureaucrats

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who've been there for you know 10 20 30

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40 years doing what they do so I think

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this is very very positive I mean as far

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as I'm concerned disclosure happened on

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December 16th I mean this is well this

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is as good as it's going to get I mean

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we need to take it and we need to run

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with it and we need to start continue to

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push the boundaries of disclosure

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because I think this is just step one

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and a much longer disclosure process I

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think so I think you know it basically

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we had all the information ahead of time

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when they had that conference but it was

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the New York Times that actually exposed

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it and made made it go viral basically

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and you know it's kind of a it's kind of

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like I remember UFOs before and now I

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know them after and right and all these

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last week we had a great guest we had

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00:22:40,829 --> 00:22:35,759
Calvin Parker from the Pascagoula

545
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:40,839
abduction case and he is getting so much

546
00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:42,010
media

547
00:22:48,060 --> 00:22:45,960
more serious than seriously

548
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:48,070
exactly and that's what we saw that at

549
00:22:52,860 --> 00:22:50,100
our symposium we had people attending

550
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:52,870
from all walks of life who have never

551
00:22:57,060 --> 00:22:54,970
ever attended a UFO symposium in their

552
00:22:59,070 --> 00:22:57,070
life they're coming out now they want to

553
00:23:00,659 --> 00:22:59,080
find out what's going on that it's now

554
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:00,669
safe for them to come and talk about

555
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,490
this subject I had people there who were

556
00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:05,919
policy people from the government I had

557
00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:08,500
to pee boy yeah both local and

558
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,100
international and then also scientists a

559
00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:13,600
lot of scientists showing up and wanting

560
00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:15,700
to sit and meet with these people meet

561
00:23:19,049 --> 00:23:17,140
with Lou meet with the other folks and

562
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:19,059
talk about the science behind this

563
00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:21,250
because this is really gonna open up a

564
00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:23,080
whole new world for all of us I mean I

565
00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:25,540
don't think people quite realize the

566
00:23:30,539 --> 00:23:27,580
tremendous advances are gonna happen in

567
00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:30,549
the next 10 20 30 years because of our

568
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:32,230
ability now to open this up for

569
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discussion and make it safe for

570
00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:36,010
scientists around the world and

571
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,740
engineers to work on this problem yeah I

572
00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:40,480
think it's wonderful and now the

573
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:43,660
question had come up so many times in

574
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:45,370
this short time I've done the show in

575
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:47,770
six years like you know what is what is

576
00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:49,690
it going to take to have you know

577
00:23:55,289 --> 00:23:52,870
science and other people take this more

578
00:23:56,820 --> 00:23:55,299
serious and examine it and you know

579
00:23:59,700 --> 00:23:56,830
maybe we maybe we've crossed that

580
00:24:03,900 --> 00:23:59,710
threshold and but when we'll be seeing

581
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:03,910
some we'll be seeing some you know

582
00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:07,570
forward motion into what I've heard a

583
00:24:11,549 --> 00:24:09,220
number of people and I can't say that I

584
00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:11,559
don't just that I don't agree with it

585
00:24:17,370 --> 00:24:13,870
and that is - one of the most important

586
00:24:21,090 --> 00:24:17,380
things of the you know 21st century or

587
00:24:22,919 --> 00:24:21,100
you know of all time you know like when

588
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:22,929
there's intelligent life if that's what

589
00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:26,830
it indeed is that we're seeing we still

590
00:24:30,659 --> 00:24:29,080
don't know what we're seeing yeah right

591
00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:30,669
yeah well that's gonna be that's gonna

592
00:24:33,810 --> 00:24:32,380
be the next step in the evolution but

593
00:24:37,650 --> 00:24:33,820
let's just step back for a second and be

594
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because scientists have been focused on

595
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:39,460
this but they've been very quiet about

596
00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:40,960
it I mean they've been kind of keeping

597
00:24:45,270 --> 00:24:43,030
it in the back room for most of them now

598
00:24:46,530 --> 00:24:45,280
many of them have not been focused on it

599
00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:46,540
because they thought it was a bunch of

600
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:47,260
nonsense

601
00:24:51,330 --> 00:24:49,630
those folks who have been focused on it

602
00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:51,340
now feel safe to come out in the open

603
00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:53,140
and talk about it amongst their

604
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:55,270
colleagues and I could talk about a

605
00:24:59,880 --> 00:24:57,210
group of scientists doing that right now

606
00:25:01,470 --> 00:24:59,890
but those who have never been involved

607
00:25:03,810 --> 00:25:01,480
in it are now coming to the realization

608
00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:03,820
this is something very very advanced

609
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,380
this is something that I want to get on

610
00:25:10,110 --> 00:25:07,120
board with I wanna this is the cutting

611
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:10,120
edge of science so what scientist isn't

612
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,770
going to want to be on the cutting edge

613
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:14,799
of science right I think yeah exciting

614
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:16,690
so hold that thought we're gonna go into

615
00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:20,290
break so I'm on with Jan Harrison this

616
00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:23,260
is Martin Willis with podcast UFO on kgr

617
00:25:32,460 --> 00:25:25,480
a radio and stay with us we'll be right

618
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:32,470
back we're clear Jim very clear and

619
00:25:35,370 --> 00:25:33,730
we've got three and a half minutes in

620
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:35,380
this break Martin three and a half

621
00:25:39,299 --> 00:25:38,020
minutes I got it okay so Jan we're still

622
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alive

623
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:43,210
and we're live on YouTube so this is

624
00:25:50,130 --> 00:25:46,480
where we talk about other things besides

625
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:50,140
the top Corazon we were on basically so

626
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:52,270
I do want to get into then the next

627
00:25:57,330 --> 00:25:54,490
between the next break I want to get

628
00:26:00,720 --> 00:25:57,340
into your childhood your childhood

629
00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:00,730
sighting but and you lived in was a

630
00:26:03,899 --> 00:26:03,280
Thousand Oaks California correct yeah

631
00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:03,909
Thousand Oaks

632
00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:05,320
yeah you're right are you in that

633
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:08,260
general area now I'm actually about an

634
00:26:12,919 --> 00:26:11,320
hour hour and 15 20 minutes south there

635
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:12,929
I'm in Orange County now so that's

636
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:15,940
Thousand Oaks is north of Los Angeles to

637
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:18,190
the west in Ventura County you have to

638
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:20,530
go through Los Angeles County to get to

639
00:26:25,649 --> 00:26:22,600
Orange County and I'm down south I'm

640
00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:25,659
about an hour north of San Diego I'm

641
00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:27,940
about an hour south our headquarters is

642
00:26:30,450 --> 00:26:29,140
about an hour north of San Diego and

643
00:26:32,610 --> 00:26:30,460
about an hour south of downtown Los

644
00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:32,620
Angeles so what's the correlation with

645
00:26:37,289 --> 00:26:35,230
the fires out your way well it's been

646
00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:37,299
pretty exciting out here we had the

647
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:37,720
other day

648
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:40,330
the skies were like a dark brown you

649
00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:43,480
know it's but we're used to this I mean

650
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:44,260
I can remember

651
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:45,850
fires since I was a kid growing up out

652
00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:48,610
here so it's it's just it's one of the

653
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,070
four seasons you know fire season it's a

654
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,200
little bit early this year it's heavy

655
00:26:57,630 --> 00:26:54,880
early I should say wouldn't you think so

656
00:26:59,790 --> 00:26:57,640
yeah definitely definitely much earlier

657
00:27:04,139 --> 00:26:59,800
that we expected to happen yeah yeah

658
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:04,149
crazy times yeah I know I when I was out

659
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,470
there for nine years I was in Northern

660
00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:07,840
California and I remember you know like

661
00:27:11,410 --> 00:27:08,630
smelling smoke

662
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:11,420
constantly you know during the during

663
00:27:17,290 --> 00:27:13,310
one of the fires but never like the

664
00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:17,300
South like South down there and so have

665
00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:19,300
has that ever come close to home for you

666
00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:22,190
well I just remember when I was a kid we

667
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,140
had fires on all four sides of us I was

668
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,520
living at Thousand Oaks we had west lake

669
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,960
& Schley Sherwood on one side and

670
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:29,600
mountains on the other side and and it

671
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:32,210
actually turned the sky black so at noon

672
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,580
this guy was completely black and there

673
00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:36,320
was a little orange ball up in the sky

674
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,390
you can see this little tiny it was very

675
00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:41,360
faint but that was the Sun it was it was

676
00:27:43,420 --> 00:27:42,950
the strangest feeling I've ever had in

677
00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:43,430
my life

678
00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:45,740
Wow to be yeah I used to be like almost

679
00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:47,960
like a total eclipse of some sort that's

680
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:49,900
crazy

681
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:52,640
yeah scary alright now I was out that

682
00:27:57,910 --> 00:27:55,790
way in the San Diego area I lived it out

683
00:28:04,180 --> 00:27:57,920
there for about eight months or so back

684
00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:04,190
in 70 I want to say 77 and yeah it was

685
00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:08,660
77 I remember like climbing and the

686
00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:13,280
chaparral hills over by la jolla over

687
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:13,790
that way

688
00:28:18,910 --> 00:28:16,880
I remember looking out toward like la la

689
00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:18,920
out to the ocean and there was so much

690
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:22,070
smog there the most beautiful sunsets

691
00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:25,310
and that was before the you know the

692
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:27,500
pollution control boy that was a that

693
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,110
was that was really brutal back then do

694
00:28:34,390 --> 00:28:31,760
you remember like having trouble

695
00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:34,400
breathing and all that back then I I

696
00:28:37,150 --> 00:28:35,630
don't particularly remember having

697
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:37,160
trouble breathing but I will say this

698
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:38,690
that with all these fire school and I

699
00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:40,370
currently it has produced a very

700
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,820
spectacular sunsets we're close to the

701
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:45,200
ocean hackers so we'll go down to the

702
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:47,330
ocean side and look out over the ocean

703
00:28:51,550 --> 00:28:49,940
and it's it's very very pretty I mean I

704
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:51,560
so I guess that's one positive sign of

705
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:53,890
smoke is it makes pretty sunsets or a

706
00:28:58,780 --> 00:28:56,960
race we're about ready to go back on yep

707
00:29:01,300 --> 00:28:58,790
we got 20 seconds okay

708
00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:01,310
all right all right so you basically

709
00:29:04,450 --> 00:29:02,900
remember where we were you were talking

710
00:29:06,550 --> 00:29:04,460
about science the cutting edge of

711
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:06,560
science yeah I wanted to talk about some

712
00:29:12,490 --> 00:29:07,910
of these scientists if I could just for

713
00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:17,900
all right gentlemen standby all right

714
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:18,420
here we go

715
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:24,450
in five four three two all right welcome

716
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,290
back to podcast UFO on kgr a radio my

717
00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:30,240
guests this evening is the executive

718
00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:33,900
director of MUFON Jan Harrison so Jan we

719
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:35,990
were just talking before the break about

720
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:38,730
the cutting edge of science and

721
00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:40,620
scientists Oh yep I'd like to see for

722
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:42,150
you to continue on with that if you

723
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:44,910
would sure I'd be happy to you know one

724
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:47,730
of the areas that I I think is gonna be

725
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,940
exciting in the future is the faster

726
00:29:54,290 --> 00:29:52,860
than light travel it's the whole physics

727
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:54,300
behind how do you get from here to there

728
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:56,520
I had the opportunity after this was all

729
00:30:01,940 --> 00:29:58,260
announced to have a conversation with

730
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:01,950
help pull it off and he told me based on

731
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:03,450
that conversation I'd had with Ben rich

732
00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:05,310
many years ago he told me Jan we now

733
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:07,230
have figured out the equations we know

734
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:10,050
how they're doing this and so I said

735
00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:12,210
that's great how are they doing it and

736
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,020
he said well they're manipulating

737
00:30:17,390 --> 00:30:16,080
space-time and we know how the equations

738
00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:17,400
work and now we have to turn it

739
00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:20,190
basically basically engineered if you

740
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:21,750
will engineer it into being cuz no

741
00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:23,460
understanding the mathematics behind it

742
00:30:27,790 --> 00:30:25,830
it's one thing but building something

743
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:27,800
out of it is a whole nother level of

744
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,630
complexity so but there's a group of

745
00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:33,360
guys I was I'm blessed to be on their

746
00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:34,950
distribution list it's kind of fun

747
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:38,430
because there are about I don't 40 or 30

748
00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:40,050
40 or 50 I don't know how many I haven't

749
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:41,430
even counted all the different email

750
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:43,710
addresses physicists around the world

751
00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:45,330
that are working on this issue a faster

752
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,350
light travel and James Woodward from Cal

753
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:52,080
State Fullerton here retired professor

754
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:55,380
he's been writing books on stargates and

755
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:57,030
wormholes and how we're gonna get from

756
00:31:01,400 --> 00:30:59,100
here to there he invited me to be part

757
00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:01,410
of it and these guys meet every year up

758
00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:03,270
in Estes Park Colorado or at least they

759
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:04,350
did last year and they'll do it again

760
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:07,770
this year at a conference called it's an

761
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:10,650
advanced propulsion workshop and they

762
00:31:14,390 --> 00:31:12,510
meet there and they present papers to

763
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:14,400
each other on their ideas on how to make

764
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:14,970
this happen

765
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:18,120
and I was like I said I was blessed to

766
00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:20,490
be invited to come sit in as a fly on

767
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:21,780
the wall now I wish I could have

768
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:23,910
understood a fraction of the mathematics

769
00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:25,140
that they were throwing around them a

770
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:26,190
joke but I

771
00:31:30,670 --> 00:31:28,380
my my my mathematics is pretty rusty

772
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:30,680
after 40 years being out of college but

773
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:33,000
but the thing is that these guys are all

774
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:35,610
trying to figure out how to get us to

775
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:38,490
the stars and I think it's exciting and

776
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:40,020
I think we're gonna do it here in the

777
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:41,370
next 20-30 years now

778
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:43,500
whether we've done it officially in the

779
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:44,760
black or not I don't know that we'll

780
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:46,290
ever know that I don't think there's

781
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:47,490
anyone ever gonna come out and say guess

782
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:49,910
what we had interstellar travel back in

783
00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:53,010
1977 or whatever but I think what they

784
00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:54,750
can do is reinvent it in the white world

785
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:57,150
and I think that's what as I look at

786
00:32:00,290 --> 00:31:59,130
this TSA organization and the fact

787
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,300
they've got Stephen justice from

788
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:03,000
Lockheed skunk works and how put off as

789
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:05,310
a chief scientist it appears to me

790
00:32:09,410 --> 00:32:06,930
they're trying to actually do this

791
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:09,420
themselves there'll be plenty of other

792
00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:10,860
people doing it and if there haven't

793
00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:12,390
already been some of our aerospace

794
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:15,060
companies who've accomplished it so for

795
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,010
us the excitement is having scientists

796
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:19,200
involved in it but more importantly for

797
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:20,970
us to be able to travel out amongst the

798
00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:23,250
stars as a civilization and I think

799
00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:24,390
that's really exciting because you have

800
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:26,160
to realize one thing once we get out

801
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:28,950
there once we're circling above a planet

802
00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:30,840
in a solar system and another galaxies

803
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:33,300
far far away and we look down and we see

804
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:36,450
indigenous life on that planet we now

805
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:38,700
become the alien yeah we're the UFO and

806
00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:40,710
I think that's something right yeah

807
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:43,080
we're the UFO we're the aliens and so I

808
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:44,370
think that's really gonna put it in

809
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:45,990
perspective for everybody what's going

810
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:48,120
on right now here on earth wow that's

811
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:49,950
amazing now when you spoke to Ben rich

812
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,930
you know he has the famous saying that

813
00:32:55,670 --> 00:32:53,760
he can take e.t home or I believe

814
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:55,680
something like that we already have the

815
00:33:00,650 --> 00:32:58,410
technology to take e.t home was you know

816
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:00,660
I may be miss boarding but yeah I was go

817
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:05,220
ahead yeah we now have the technical a

818
00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:07,380
alumni function I'm a graduate of UCLA

819
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:09,180
School of Engineering and Ben rich was -

820
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:13,220
and I got a notification back in the 93

821
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:15,690
that he would be speaking on I think was

822
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:17,370
March 23rd 1993

823
00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:19,290
today all night so I went to this event

824
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:22,350
and he did a beautiful 40 slide set of

825
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:24,930
his 40 plus years at the Lockheed

826
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:26,700
skunkworks he had just retired as the

827
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:30,600
CEO he followed Kelly Johnson as the

828
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:32,370
number two CEO of Lockheed skunkworks

829
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:35,670
Kelly Johnson was the CEO who had that

830
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,890
the spy plane I'm sorry the u-2 spy

831
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:39,840
plane and then also

832
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:42,179
Ben rich was his young engineer that was

833
00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:45,090
the engineer on the sr-71 and that was

834
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:46,740
such a successful project that it

835
00:33:51,019 --> 00:33:48,779
catapulted him in line to take over for

836
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:51,029
Kelly what he'd left so so he now spent

837
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:52,529
40 years there all these different

838
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:54,059
development projects and he was

839
00:33:59,120 --> 00:33:56,090
presenting this to the UCLA alumni

840
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,130
engineering Alumni Association about 200

841
00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:01,860
of us in this room Tom Keller was there

842
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:03,270
as a matter of fact - he's a he's also

843
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,090
an alumni of the UCLA School of

844
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,399
Engineering and his last slide that we

845
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,320
started off with the u-2 spy plane and

846
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:13,080
he had the sr-71 and he had the f-117 he

847
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:14,310
had a whole bunch of other projects in

848
00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:15,690
between many of them that we hadn't even

849
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,070
heard of because they got killed they

850
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,159
were never implemented but his very last

851
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:22,800
slide was a black disc zipping off in

852
00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:24,570
outer space and he did it was a slides

853
00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:26,909
that was actually you know Kodachrome

854
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:29,099
slides right yeah zipping off in outer

855
00:34:34,099 --> 00:34:31,169
space and he ended the talk by saying we

856
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:34,109
now have the technology to take e.t home

857
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,780
and the whole room busted up laughing

858
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:37,919
all the engineers thought he was

859
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:40,409
cracking a joke and Tom and I just

860
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:41,730
looked at each other like did he just

861
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:44,339
say that we couldn't believe it right so

862
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:46,169
we had air when he said that that's yeah

863
00:34:52,099 --> 00:34:49,050
the famous quote Wow yep I think it came

864
00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:52,109
from me so I actually came from Ben but

865
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:55,560
I heard it so we had to talk to him

866
00:35:04,040 --> 00:34:58,410
after the session and he he shared some

867
00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:04,050
things basically that we you know we

868
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,790
have the ability to travel to the stars

869
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:07,200
and it won't take us our lifetime to do

870
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,150
it that was one of his things and the

871
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:11,520
fact is that how does it work Ben well

872
00:35:16,339 --> 00:35:13,950
it works because we've found the air in

873
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:16,349
the equations now he would never answer

874
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:17,550
the question because I did ask him

875
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:19,530
directly hey Ben one of the one of the

876
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:20,760
equations you're talking about I thought

877
00:35:24,670 --> 00:35:22,170
he was either talking about Maxwell's

878
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:24,680
equations of electromagnetic theory or

879
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:26,460
Einstein's general theory of relativity

880
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,250
or some combination of the two he didn't

881
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:31,200
ever answered the question but whatever

882
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:33,450
the equations are and I Hal did share

883
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:35,790
with me that it's part of Einstein's

884
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:38,190
general theory of relativity which is

885
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:39,990
how they're getting here they're able to

886
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:42,119
just tweak space-time just a little bit

887
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:43,830
which open makes it opening for them to

888
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:47,339
come through to our our place in space

889
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:51,570
and time let's just say so then the

890
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:52,950
other thing as he was walking out I had

891
00:36:03,680 --> 00:35:53,400
a

892
00:36:06,380 --> 00:36:03,690
this engine work how does it gets us out

893
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:06,390
to the stars or something to that effect

894
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:08,040
and he spun around and he looked at me

895
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:08,910
and he said well let me ask you a

896
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:13,650
question how does ESP work and I was

897
00:36:16,850 --> 00:36:15,060
gonna take him back because I didn't

898
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:16,860
know why he would ask me that question

899
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:19,320
so I just blurted it out the first thing

900
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:20,760
that came into my mind I said I don't

901
00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:22,140
know all points in space and time were

902
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:24,150
connected he said that's how it works

903
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,290
that he turned around and walked down

904
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,200
the room so I don't I don't you know I

905
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:30,480
don't I think we talked about you know

906
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:31,980
people are now moving in the UFO field

907
00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:34,950
into consciousness and how does how does

908
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:38,340
all this stuff work it may all be

909
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:40,290
interrelated to itself you know and

910
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:43,230
here's how we figure out how does

911
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:45,210
reality come into being reality how do

912
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,660
we how do we manipulate or how do we

913
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:51,300
interact with reality as human beings

914
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:52,380
you know and how does our how do our

915
00:36:59,420 --> 00:36:55,410
minds work exactly this this may be a

916
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,430
much bigger find for us than just some

917
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:00,720
structured craft that's able to go

918
00:37:05,180 --> 00:37:02,310
interstellar you know I mean this might

919
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:05,190
be a big big opening for all of mankind

920
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:06,900
in terms of what we're gonna discover

921
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,370
here right in that case you know would

922
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:16,320
would something need a craft you know I

923
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,320
mean it just seems I know it's kind of a

924
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:22,560
bizarre thing to say but no maybe maybe

925
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:24,060
not maybe you don't maybe don't hit it

926
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:25,970
craft you know I mean if you read oh

927
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:30,810
gosh the Monroe Institute Robert Monroe

928
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:34,380
wrote a book I'm not pulling up in my

929
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,940
brain right away but it was basically

930
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:37,680
about the work that he did at the Monroe

931
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:40,530
Institute there in Virginia and and he

932
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:42,510
talked about training the CIA and

933
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:44,310
different people how to go out of body

934
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:46,230
and there was how to take their

935
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,850
consciousness and remove it from the

936
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:49,920
vessel we think of as a body and go out

937
00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:52,170
in space and be able to actually that

938
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:53,580
the trick is not so much getting out of

939
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:55,050
your body the trick is really getting

940
00:37:59,180 --> 00:37:57,660
back into your body so he would teach

941
00:38:00,500 --> 00:37:59,190
him how to how to find themselves again

942
00:38:02,650 --> 00:38:00,510
so that they could reconnect their

943
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,660
consciousness with their physical body

944
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:05,040
but he talked about all sorts of places

945
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:06,450
that they would visit and things they

946
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:07,740
would see and

947
00:38:14,330 --> 00:38:11,610
it was pretty fascinating to me reading

948
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:14,340
that book I'll think of the name of it

949
00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:16,830
I'll tell you later but it's it's it's

950
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:18,600
it but it goes right to your point which

951
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:21,690
is do you need a physical craft to do

952
00:38:26,330 --> 00:38:24,780
this and perhaps not I mean I I don't I

953
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:26,340
don't know but I mean I perhaps not I

954
00:38:34,850 --> 00:38:30,150
think the last I had a show where I

955
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:34,860
talked about there was some a couple of

956
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:36,390
sightings that are known that people

957
00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:39,000
think the craft itself is possibly

958
00:38:42,590 --> 00:38:41,340
organic and living have you ever heard

959
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:42,600
of anything like that I mean that's

960
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:43,650
bizarre

961
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:47,970
yes yeah I have I am yeah yeah sometimes

962
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:50,040
there's this chips are described as like

963
00:38:57,830 --> 00:38:53,460
a stingray like almost a manta ray or a

964
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,840
fish type of thing yes yeah and and and

965
00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:59,820
the material sciences too I mean you

966
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:00,780
know we're talking about these meta

967
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:03,960
materials and different things that are

968
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:06,300
coming up the news more and more you

969
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:11,250
know our engineering level for material

970
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:14,220
sciences is pretty advanced but it's

971
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:16,230
nowhere near as advanced as whoever

972
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:18,630
these beings are that are bringing these

973
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:20,730
crafts here because their technology is

974
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:23,670
completely integrated completely smooth

975
00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:25,350
and I think that's how you tell the

976
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:26,670
difference between ours have you talked

977
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,290
to Michael shrap between our craft and

978
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:30,960
their craft is ours look pretty angular

979
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:32,970
they got you know hard edges in them

980
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:35,220
theirs are just complete it's almost

981
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:37,650
like it was it was like grown in a petri

982
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:40,140
dish you know it's so smooth and elegant

983
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:42,930
looking yeah yeah I've won at some point

984
00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:45,150
tonight we're gonna talk about MUFON and

985
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:46,860
the amount of sightings and and all that

986
00:39:50,090 --> 00:39:48,930
and the type of sightings because I

987
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,100
think that's interesting you know

988
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:52,320
triangle versus you know lights in the

989
00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:54,390
sky versus discs and all that how that's

990
00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:57,030
kind of seems to have changed but let's

991
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,390
let's a rehash the story of you and your

992
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,240
brother or so long ago back in 1965 and

993
00:40:09,590 --> 00:40:06,240
and at that amazing sighting I'd love to

994
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:09,600
hear that again now sure yeah so you

995
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:11,850
know back in the 50s and 60s when you

996
00:40:16,340 --> 00:40:14,490
open the newspaper more than likely

997
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:16,350
you're gonna see a UFO story there and

998
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:17,610
they didn't call them UFOs they called

999
00:40:21,489 --> 00:40:20,190
flying saucers so this was all over the

1000
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,499
front page

1001
00:40:26,650 --> 00:40:23,599
my father used to get to men's magazines

1002
00:40:28,299 --> 00:40:26,660
true and Argosy and one month I think it

1003
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:28,309
was a March edition back in the early

1004
00:40:35,859 --> 00:40:32,140
60s they had an article their night cap

1005
00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:35,869
and Donald Kehoe and as a kid about

1006
00:40:40,749 --> 00:40:37,880
seven eight years all the time reading

1007
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:40,759
this what I was impressed about was here

1008
00:40:45,789 --> 00:40:42,890
was a man who had retired as a major in

1009
00:40:47,739 --> 00:40:45,799
the Marines who was running the at that

1010
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:47,749
time probably one of the largest UFO

1011
00:40:54,009 --> 00:40:50,150
organizations in the world died cap and

1012
00:40:56,259 --> 00:40:54,019
he was telling the press that these were

1013
00:40:58,959 --> 00:40:56,269
extraterrestrial crafts they were coming

1014
00:41:04,569 --> 00:40:58,969
here from someplace else and that was so

1015
00:41:06,249 --> 00:41:04,579
in opposition to what the news stations

1016
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:06,259
were reporting because they would report

1017
00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:07,729
these sightings the newspaper would

1018
00:41:11,529 --> 00:41:09,109
report these sightings but they would

1019
00:41:14,229 --> 00:41:11,539
always have some kind of a explanation

1020
00:41:18,099 --> 00:41:14,239
you know well it was probably a balloon

1021
00:41:20,349 --> 00:41:18,109
you know most likely a radar inversion

1022
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:20,359
or a weather inversion you know causing

1023
00:41:25,209 --> 00:41:22,670
radar blips or whatever and so to have

1024
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,219
this man so honestly speak about this

1025
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,920
the subject was really eye-opening for

1026
00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:30,319
me and so my brother and I got talking

1027
00:41:35,170 --> 00:41:32,630
about this and he was a my brother's

1028
00:41:37,269 --> 00:41:35,180
kind of one of these Tesla types he was

1029
00:41:39,219 --> 00:41:37,279
building crystal radios at the age of

1030
00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:39,229
seven years old and you know fixing the

1031
00:41:42,789 --> 00:41:40,700
neighbors television sets at the age of

1032
00:41:44,229 --> 00:41:42,799
eight years old I don't know how he knew

1033
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:44,239
that to do this but he was he was very

1034
00:41:48,729 --> 00:41:46,910
smart that way and we got talking about

1035
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:48,739
it and we decided that each craft must

1036
00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:50,059
be using some kind of electromagnetic

1037
00:41:54,729 --> 00:41:53,150
propulsion system so we said well you

1038
00:41:55,870 --> 00:41:54,739
know and we were playing around with

1039
00:41:57,489 --> 00:41:55,880
electromagnets and doing different

1040
00:41:58,959 --> 00:41:57,499
experiments and things as kids ourselves

1041
00:42:00,819 --> 00:41:58,969
so we said well maybe we could build one

1042
00:42:02,499 --> 00:42:00,829
of these things so we decided what we

1043
00:42:04,299 --> 00:42:02,509
needed to do was build a 30-foot craft

1044
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:04,309
in our backyard with three pulsed

1045
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:06,410
electromagnetic engines and maybe we

1046
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:08,329
could get it to do some of the maneuvers

1047
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:10,729
these crafts do don't ask me where that

1048
00:42:15,219 --> 00:42:13,249
idea came from I know we came up with so

1049
00:42:17,019 --> 00:42:15,229
so one day my mother was going to the

1050
00:42:18,579 --> 00:42:17,029
store a thrifty drugstore and she's

1051
00:42:19,569 --> 00:42:18,589
invited us to go with her mostly because

1052
00:42:22,209 --> 00:42:19,579
she did want to leave his home to get

1053
00:42:23,529 --> 00:42:22,219
trouble and so we went with her and we

1054
00:42:25,959 --> 00:42:23,539
were in the store waiting for her to

1055
00:42:27,729 --> 00:42:25,969
shopping we were on the magazine rack

1056
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:27,739
looking at the magazines and on the very

1057
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:29,089
lower shelf in the very back you know

1058
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:31,670
the corner was this half-size magazine

1059
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:33,950
called flying saucer review it was a

1060
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:34,700
British public

1061
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,010
and was like a dollar so we bought it

1062
00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:38,720
took it took it home with us and we

1063
00:42:43,150 --> 00:42:40,700
started reading it and it said these

1064
00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:43,160
crafts are seen around nuclear power

1065
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:46,280
plants military installations and places

1066
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:49,010
where anti-gravity research is done so

1067
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,210
he looked at each other we said well

1068
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:51,680
we're doing anti-gravity research maybe

1069
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:53,180
one will come here

1070
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:55,160
well sure Norfolk within about a month I

1071
00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:57,290
was in my room early on a Saturday

1072
00:43:02,170 --> 00:42:59,960
morning sleeping and my brother came

1073
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:02,180
into my room I was at one end of the

1074
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:03,350
house he was at the other end of the

1075
00:43:09,970 --> 00:43:07,640
house and he woke me up what had

1076
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:09,980
happened was we my parents had four boys

1077
00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:12,200
we were living in a two-bedroom house in

1078
00:43:16,750 --> 00:43:14,600
in Woodland Hills California so they

1079
00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:16,760
built a three bedroom house in Thousand

1080
00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:19,070
Oaks California in 59 because they were

1081
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,600
gonna put two boys in one bedroom two

1082
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:21,920
boys the other bedroom with bunk beds

1083
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:23,630
and then they'd have the third bedroom

1084
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:25,310
well then they had another baby which

1085
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:26,690
turned out to be a girl so my father had

1086
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:28,310
to turn the garage basically into a bunk

1087
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:30,050
room so he could pass all these kids he

1088
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,430
had so I'm out in the garage

1089
00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:34,160
sleeping it was turned into it it was a

1090
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:35,870
it was a room but it was our former

1091
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,970
garage and he comes out there and he

1092
00:43:40,270 --> 00:43:38,960
says hey there's somebody's trying to

1093
00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:40,280
break into my room and I said what do

1094
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:41,600
you mean they said well there's somebody

1095
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:44,690
I can hear jiggling the screen and I

1096
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:46,130
said well did you look outside to see

1097
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,810
who it was and he said no I didn't look

1098
00:43:51,070 --> 00:43:49,280
out so I said let's go back and take a

1099
00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:51,080
look so we walked into the house walked

1100
00:43:54,370 --> 00:43:52,340
to the back of the house where his room

1101
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,380
was we looked into his room and the

1102
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:56,240
drapes were drawn and so we didn't see

1103
00:44:00,370 --> 00:43:58,970
anything happening so I said let's go

1104
00:44:02,170 --> 00:44:00,380
out and we'll go out the back yard and

1105
00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:02,180
see now it was 6:30 on a Saturday

1106
00:44:06,820 --> 00:44:04,550
morning in April right before time

1107
00:44:08,530 --> 00:44:06,830
change so the Sun was already up so it

1108
00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:08,540
was very bright outside and we're

1109
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:10,520
walking down the hallway talking to each

1110
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:12,890
other I'm looking back at him and all of

1111
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:15,410
a sudden he says look and I spin around

1112
00:44:18,820 --> 00:44:16,850
look where he's looking he's looking in

1113
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:18,830
our living room we had a wall of drapes

1114
00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:20,330
which were all white and the Sun was

1115
00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:22,550
coming in from behind him I didn't see

1116
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:25,070
anything so I said what you see Jeff and

1117
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:26,990
he said well there was somebody standing

1118
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:28,130
against the window I could see their

1119
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:30,740
shadow on the on the window and when I

1120
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:33,170
told you to look they floated backwards

1121
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:34,490
and he used those words floated

1122
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:35,690
backwards and I thought that was really

1123
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:37,550
weird to describe something like that so

1124
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:40,010
at this point my I'm thinking well he's

1125
00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:42,410
just trying to you know pull one over on

1126
00:44:46,570 --> 00:44:45,470
me he's trying to pull a fast one we'll

1127
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:46,580
put this to bed we'll round the back

1128
00:44:50,259 --> 00:44:48,049
yard there'll be nothing there

1129
00:44:52,329 --> 00:44:50,269
I'll be over so I said let's go to out

1130
00:44:54,969 --> 00:44:52,339
the garage again as I walked through the

1131
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:54,979
kitchen into the garage this the clock

1132
00:44:59,679 --> 00:44:56,900
said 6:30 that's how I know what time it

1133
00:45:02,229 --> 00:44:59,689
was it was 6:30 would indigo aged out

1134
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:02,239
the back door to the end of the house we

1135
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:05,890
looked back towards his bedroom and

1136
00:45:09,939 --> 00:45:08,329
there was nothing there and so I'm

1137
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,949
thinking okay this is this is fun you

1138
00:45:13,479 --> 00:45:11,359
know got me up at 6:30 in the morning

1139
00:45:15,099 --> 00:45:13,489
made this big spoof and everything you

1140
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:15,109
know so I said well there's nothing

1141
00:45:17,799 --> 00:45:16,640
there you know so let's go back in so he

1142
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:17,809
turned it around and go back into the

1143
00:45:22,089 --> 00:45:20,390
house and as we turned around there 30

1144
00:45:24,579 --> 00:45:22,099
feet from us hovering 10 feet off the

1145
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:24,589
ground was a landing craft with four

1146
00:45:28,839 --> 00:45:26,630
landing gear on it and I thought oh my

1147
00:45:29,739 --> 00:45:28,849
gosh these things were real I was the

1148
00:45:31,209 --> 00:45:29,749
first thing was through my head oh my

1149
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:31,219
gosh see things look there it is these

1150
00:45:34,529 --> 00:45:33,170
things are real and then the second

1151
00:45:36,549 --> 00:45:34,539
thought that went through my mind was

1152
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:36,559
wow this thing looks like it might be

1153
00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:38,089
man-made now why did I think it was

1154
00:45:41,049 --> 00:45:38,630
man-made

1155
00:45:43,419 --> 00:45:41,059
because the craft itself was like a

1156
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:43,429
brick if you blew it up to eight to ten

1157
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:45,410
feet long by four feet wide by three

1158
00:45:50,529 --> 00:45:47,689
feet high and completely smooth the

1159
00:45:52,839 --> 00:45:50,539
edges so it was like a tank sink

1160
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:52,849
completely seamless and then put four

1161
00:45:59,679 --> 00:45:54,410
landing gear on it on the landing gear

1162
00:46:00,910 --> 00:45:59,689
where blue corrugated hose like a dryer

1163
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:00,920
hose you know it's gonna dryer hose

1164
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:03,049
where it goes in and out yeah that came

1165
00:46:06,910 --> 00:46:04,910
out from the AL from the craft on both

1166
00:46:09,579 --> 00:46:06,920
sides two on each side and then at the

1167
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:09,589
bottom was a black suction cup and then

1168
00:46:13,509 --> 00:46:11,089
between the dining area there were these

1169
00:46:14,799 --> 00:46:13,519
cross bars with like a scissoring

1170
00:46:16,809 --> 00:46:14,809
function and in that middle of that

1171
00:46:18,939 --> 00:46:16,819
scissoring function was a bolt and it

1172
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:18,949
was the bolt that made me think this

1173
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:22,160
looks like it's man-made yeah but then I

1174
00:46:26,769 --> 00:46:24,410
started studying the craft I thought wow

1175
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:26,779
like it's not very tall like it's only

1176
00:46:30,189 --> 00:46:28,249
three feet tall how could they get in

1177
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:30,199
and out of this thing like there they

1178
00:46:33,189 --> 00:46:31,609
must not be very big creatures if

1179
00:46:36,429 --> 00:46:33,199
they're in this if they're inside this

1180
00:46:39,219 --> 00:46:36,439
craft and the second thing I thought was

1181
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,229
wow there's no windows or doors like how

1182
00:46:43,539 --> 00:46:41,599
how do you get inside this thing because

1183
00:46:44,799 --> 00:46:43,549
there's no at least on the side I was

1184
00:46:47,439 --> 00:46:44,809
looking at I was looking at two of the

1185
00:46:48,969 --> 00:46:47,449
four sides of it there's no windows of

1186
00:46:51,299 --> 00:46:48,979
doors and then I started looking at the

1187
00:46:53,699 --> 00:46:51,309
actual surface of it and it was a shiny

1188
00:46:56,979 --> 00:46:53,709
seamless piece of metal the whole

1189
00:47:00,009 --> 00:46:56,989
structure of the craft those bill rivets

1190
00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:00,019
no seams no nothing and I thought to

1191
00:47:03,579 --> 00:47:01,670
myself wow that's pretty good

1192
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:03,589
it's pretty good stuff because I don't

1193
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:05,510
think back in 1965 we had the technology

1194
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:07,220
to do that from a manufacturing

1195
00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:10,430
standpoint so I said at that point I

1196
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,540
said to my brother I'm gonna go and get

1197
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:13,520
a camera I'll be right back so I ran

1198
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:15,710
into the garage and then I went to go

1199
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:16,970
into the house so we locked ourselves

1200
00:47:21,970 --> 00:47:20,660
out so as I'm counting on the door he's

1201
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:21,980
dead let me get the exact goin house now

1202
00:47:24,670 --> 00:47:23,450
I remember nobody was up when we went

1203
00:47:26,530 --> 00:47:24,680
out I mean everyone's asleep so we're

1204
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,540
pounding on this door Alston I noticed a

1205
00:47:31,539 --> 00:47:29,119
discontinuity in my knock like that like

1206
00:47:33,549 --> 00:47:31,549
don't dunk like that that last weird and

1207
00:47:35,049 --> 00:47:33,559
that's about three knocks later that the

1208
00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:35,059
door opens up my older brother's there I

1209
00:47:38,799 --> 00:47:37,400
go running in I tripped private run over

1210
00:47:40,299 --> 00:47:38,809
the top of him get my the camera he's

1211
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:40,309
saying what's what's going on I said

1212
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:41,869
nothing and I reason I did that was I

1213
00:47:44,859 --> 00:47:43,010
didn't want to slow myself down

1214
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:44,869
so I ran I got the camera ran back out

1215
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,530
he was up watching TV and my brother was

1216
00:47:53,410 --> 00:47:51,040
standing on the swing set outside

1217
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:53,420
climbed up to the top of the swing set

1218
00:47:57,849 --> 00:47:54,950
where the slide is and was looking out

1219
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:57,859
to the west and the craft was gone and I

1220
00:48:02,770 --> 00:48:00,559
said what happened he said well it was

1221
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:02,780
just frozen there and he was frozen

1222
00:48:06,910 --> 00:48:05,420
there in the sky now it was making a

1223
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:06,920
humming noise I forgot to mention that

1224
00:48:11,049 --> 00:48:09,230
but it was humming like a transformer on

1225
00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:11,059
a telephone pole late at night if you

1226
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:12,230
ever go down the street and hear lives

1227
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:15,410
humming noise but it was perfectly it

1228
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,710
was perfectly still and then he said it

1229
00:48:22,089 --> 00:48:20,480
just slowly started to drift away after

1230
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:22,099
a minute and it just shot over the

1231
00:48:26,589 --> 00:48:25,400
horizon just to she's gone so you know

1232
00:48:28,990 --> 00:48:26,599
we looked at each other like what are we

1233
00:48:32,049 --> 00:48:29,000
gonna do now no one's gonna believe us

1234
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:32,059
you know we're I'm 10 he's 9 so we kind

1235
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:33,470
of decided to keep it 2 hours keep it to

1236
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:33,950
ourselves

1237
00:48:38,740 --> 00:48:36,650
yeah but but the funny thing was I went

1238
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:38,750
to school that Monday morning I was

1239
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:40,760
telling my best friend Tom about this

1240
00:48:43,569 --> 00:48:42,230
what had happened and I said Tom you

1241
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:43,579
won't believe what happened this weekend

1242
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:45,170
and I went through the whole story that

1243
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:48,770
I just related to you and he's a little

1244
00:48:51,609 --> 00:48:49,910
couldn't mean he's staring at me and

1245
00:48:54,460 --> 00:48:51,619
he's staring at me and so I finally

1246
00:48:58,170 --> 00:48:54,470
pause so he can say something and his

1247
00:49:02,200 --> 00:48:58,180
answer to me was Jordan go play baseball

1248
00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:02,210
that's what he said yeah I figured of

1249
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:03,950
myself did she just hear what I told her

1250
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:07,190
I just fantastic story no way and and

1251
00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:08,690
and right then and there

1252
00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:11,180
it would Bing in my head okay this is

1253
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:12,920
not something you talk to people about

1254
00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:14,900
cuz they aren't going to get it that is

1255
00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:15,560
so funny

1256
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:19,880
oh my god so when you talk about the

1257
00:49:24,490 --> 00:49:22,100
landing gear this this is interesting to

1258
00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:24,500
me it kind of reminded me you know I'm

1259
00:49:29,590 --> 00:49:27,140
sure you were about the same age you

1260
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:29,600
watched the original lost in space and

1261
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:31,610
then robot had that had that like

1262
00:49:36,850 --> 00:49:34,520
corrugated arms yeah very similar it was

1263
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:36,860
very similar very similar yeah it was

1264
00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:38,690
round that was around yeah I think his

1265
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:40,550
arms were around too high mistake and it

1266
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:41,930
just went in and out but it was like

1267
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,910
cobalt blue it's like I'm I mean that

1268
00:49:46,210 --> 00:49:45,200
the craft was very ornate it was like

1269
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:46,220
bright orange

1270
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:48,590
he's cobalt blue landing gear black

1271
00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:50,510
suction cups and brown crossbars I'm

1272
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:52,070
just like you know it's like some kid

1273
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:54,050
went crazy with his paint cans spray

1274
00:49:58,300 --> 00:49:56,630
paint cans yeah but that's that's what I

1275
00:50:01,080 --> 00:49:58,310
saw that's what I observed yeah and my

1276
00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:01,090
brother observed so yeah at the time

1277
00:50:08,590 --> 00:50:04,820
well no let me ask you this now that

1278
00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:08,600
reflect on it did you did you consider

1279
00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:10,700
that it possibly could be man-made and

1280
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:12,980
like a secret government but why would

1281
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:15,500
it land at 6:30 Saturday morning on your

1282
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:17,930
you know why that's funnier then I mean

1283
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:20,390
that's bizarre well that's a funny you

1284
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,310
should say that because a good Fred bill

1285
00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:25,280
McDonald who was active in the UFO field

1286
00:50:32,740 --> 00:50:27,740
many years ago it actually does art work

1287
00:50:35,110 --> 00:50:32,750
in this field his father was the senior

1288
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:35,120
scientist at the Rockwell Science Center

1289
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,350
which happened to be in Thousand Oaks at

1290
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:38,240
that time and so what I told him this

1291
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:39,890
story and he did a little bit research

1292
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:40,910
on his own he says you know I think

1293
00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:43,370
that's something my father built and I

1294
00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:46,280
said Bill it's very possible rockwell

1295
00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:47,840
could have built this thing i i'm not

1296
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,430
telling you they didn't build it but i

1297
00:50:54,490 --> 00:50:51,680
but I have to ask you why would they be

1298
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:54,500
testing it in my backyard at 6:30 in the

1299
00:50:59,680 --> 00:50:56,330
morning on a Saturday it makes no sense

1300
00:51:00,970 --> 00:50:59,690
to me yeah so so could it be ours

1301
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:00,980
yeah I've never said that it's

1302
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:02,950
definitely extraterrestrial but I think

1303
00:51:09,460 --> 00:51:05,570
based on the fact of the manufacturer of

1304
00:51:10,660 --> 00:51:09,470
that that the hub of the craft itself I

1305
00:51:12,820 --> 00:51:10,670
don't think it was ours

1306
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:12,830
I really don't if I had to put my money

1307
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,690
down now had you you didn't have

1308
00:51:21,970 --> 00:51:19,280
anything like missing time that you're

1309
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:21,980
aware of or anything like that well you

1310
00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:24,950
already else yeah no I didn't have

1311
00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:27,060
anything

1312
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:29,830
let's go this way I have no there's two

1313
00:51:32,609 --> 00:51:31,089
questions I guess I missed you time but

1314
00:51:33,930 --> 00:51:32,619
the other one is being taken aboard the

1315
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:33,940
crab I have no recollection of being

1316
00:51:38,339 --> 00:51:35,050
bored any craft or anything like that

1317
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:38,349
but but when I was doing that knock and

1318
00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:41,710
it might knock stopped yeah I think it's

1319
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:44,380
very possible that they switched they

1320
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,130
stopped time

1321
00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:46,960
first first for however long they

1322
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:49,420
stopped before however they do that and

1323
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,420
the reason I say that is that my brother

1324
00:51:56,550 --> 00:51:54,400
definitely has the symptoms of having

1325
00:51:58,980 --> 00:51:56,560
been taken he's gone through

1326
00:52:01,710 --> 00:51:58,990
post-traumatic stress he's gotten into

1327
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:01,720
drugs and alcohol he's was shown visions

1328
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:04,390
of the whole world being destroyed and a

1329
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:05,890
nuclear exchange between the US and

1330
00:52:10,829 --> 00:52:09,040
China basically a lot of stuff that

1331
00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:10,839
freaked him out now you're telling me

1332
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:14,200
that he actually he had during that

1333
00:52:17,609 --> 00:52:16,089
experience he could see something about

1334
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:17,619
the world being destroyed during that

1335
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:21,040
experience or afterwards I think it was

1336
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,930
after I don't have to ask him that

1337
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:25,599
question but I mean but he he'd he had

1338
00:52:31,050 --> 00:52:29,410
told me sometime later that Jan I told

1339
00:52:33,089 --> 00:52:31,060
you that there were little beings in my

1340
00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:33,099
room like two weeks before this happened

1341
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:35,230
and you and Joel would not believe me

1342
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:37,270
and I do recall him saying something

1343
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:39,490
about it but when you younger brother

1344
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:41,710
says to you there's little beings in my

1345
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:43,089
room it's like what do you do about I

1346
00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:44,650
mean was it okay there's little beings

1347
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:46,540
in your room but I didn't mean anything

1348
00:52:52,050 --> 00:52:49,690
to us right but he also told me probably

1349
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:52,060
30 years later he said you realize what

1350
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:55,630
we went back into the house the program

1351
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,310
that Joel who's our older brother was

1352
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:00,480
watching didn't come on till 8 o'clock I

1353
00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:03,250
remember I stepped out at 6:30 I was out

1354
00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:06,070
there maybe a minute or two as far as I

1355
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:08,020
was concerned only a minute or two had

1356
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:12,670
passed yet he's recollecting that we

1357
00:53:16,980 --> 00:53:13,930
were out there for a good hour and a

1358
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,990
half to two hours so Wow I don't I don't

1359
00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:18,880
know I can't I can't confirm or denied I

1360
00:53:23,579 --> 00:53:21,460
mean I just I it makes sense to me

1361
00:53:27,210 --> 00:53:23,589
because my brother was up watching TV

1362
00:53:29,609 --> 00:53:27,220
which he was not when we went out in

1363
00:53:30,780 --> 00:53:29,619
those days as you may recall the TV says

1364
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:30,790
when you turn him on didn't start

1365
00:53:34,859 --> 00:53:32,710
instantaneously it started with a little

1366
00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:34,869
dot and then we'd go out and they'd be

1367
00:53:38,220 --> 00:53:36,520
like a white screen and then maybe the

1368
00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:38,230
image would try to come in forgot about

1369
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:40,280
that and he was up

1370
00:53:45,610 --> 00:53:43,670
engaged in a program so it would have

1371
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:45,620
had to happen very quickly so I I don't

1372
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:48,530
know Martin it's good yeah yeah I've

1373
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:51,380
thought about it yeah and it's

1374
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:53,510
interesting how you said you're it's had

1375
00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:54,890
a negative effect on your brother which

1376
00:54:01,780 --> 00:53:57,980
is really too bad or if this is you know

1377
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,790
related related to that well well I'm

1378
00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:02,960
gonna say you know that that's exactly

1379
00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:05,960
right I mean so I hear people who have

1380
00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:07,670
you know what they consider to be

1381
00:54:11,350 --> 00:54:09,590
positive experiences and I hear people

1382
00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:11,360
who say they have negative experiences

1383
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:15,500
so here's a case where that one UFO two

1384
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:18,410
individuals brothers in this case one

1385
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:20,810
went this way and one went that way with

1386
00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:23,210
the experience right one took it it made

1387
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:25,700
it a positive thing that drove his life

1388
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:28,850
and but I don't know that I'd be sitting

1389
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:31,640
in the chair I'm sitting in today if it

1390
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:33,410
weren't for this occurrence because I

1391
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:34,730
sure don't know that I have the same

1392
00:54:38,830 --> 00:54:36,530
strong conviction without having seen

1393
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:38,840
this craft right on his side and his

1394
00:54:42,310 --> 00:54:40,370
side he's gone

1395
00:54:44,890 --> 00:54:42,320
you know suffering from post-traumatic

1396
00:54:47,890 --> 00:54:44,900
stress all the issues of dealing with

1397
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:47,900
that basically why would you want to

1398
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:51,200
live if you thought the world was gonna

1399
00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:53,770
end in a catastrophic nuclear holocaust

1400
00:54:58,720 --> 00:54:56,540
happy you know I mean it's like why go

1401
00:55:00,040 --> 00:54:58,730
get a career and then have a family and

1402
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:00,050
do all this stuff if it's all just going

1403
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:04,400
to be wiped out so yeah it's it's just

1404
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:05,840
interesting you know that's one of the

1405
00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:08,540
things why I really put a lot of of time

1406
00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:10,580
and effort and and energy and this whole

1407
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:12,980
experience or research team that we have

1408
00:55:17,410 --> 00:55:15,350
in MUFON under Cathleen Martin and

1409
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:17,420
George Medich and a whole team of people

1410
00:55:23,260 --> 00:55:21,650
Don done Jerry just a dozens of great

1411
00:55:25,450 --> 00:55:23,270
people who were in that program because

1412
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:25,460
they're really offering help to those

1413
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:27,170
who have had interactions with non-human

1414
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:28,970
entities whether it be from a UFO or

1415
00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:30,770
anything else that's happening and

1416
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:32,120
trying to get them what they need

1417
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:34,970
whether it be counseling services just

1418
00:55:38,770 --> 00:55:37,370
an ear to listen to psychological

1419
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:38,780
services try to deal with post-traumatic

1420
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:42,650
stress whatever there's a lot of people

1421
00:55:47,230 --> 00:55:44,690
out there in my opinion that are hurting

1422
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:47,240
because they've been told that this is a

1423
00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:49,130
bunch of poppycock and yet they have the

1424
00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:51,140
experience and now what do they do with

1425
00:55:55,870 --> 00:55:54,020
it because they're living it but

1426
00:55:58,930 --> 00:55:55,880
the world around them is denying it and

1427
00:56:00,730 --> 00:55:58,940
so they're caught in this catch-22 they

1428
00:56:02,349 --> 00:56:00,740
can't speak to their family they can't

1429
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:02,359
talk to their kids they can't talk to

1430
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:05,150
the Russians can't talk to their work or

1431
00:56:09,370 --> 00:56:07,010
coworkers or they'll be they'll lose

1432
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:09,380
their job so they need some place to go

1433
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:11,270
and that place to go really it's MUFON

1434
00:56:15,010 --> 00:56:12,050
at this point

1435
00:56:18,430 --> 00:56:15,020
right right all right well we are at

1436
00:56:20,530 --> 00:56:18,440
break time so we're on with Jan Harrison

1437
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:20,540
this is Martin Willis with podcast UFO

1438
00:56:30,310 --> 00:56:23,839
we're on kgr a radio and we'll be right

1439
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:30,320
back stay with us all right gentlemen

1440
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:32,810
that is a closed for our one we have

1441
00:56:38,260 --> 00:56:35,330
four minutes in its break Martin okay

1442
00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:38,270
four minutes got it okay Marshall for

1443
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:43,190
the second hour what yes yes yep okay

1444
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:47,599
all right excellent so I thought in the

1445
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:51,830
last hour we're gonna take calls and so

1446
00:56:55,690 --> 00:56:53,930
Evan if you wouldn't mind get the number

1447
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:55,700
up there and for the people in YouTube

1448
00:56:58,810 --> 00:56:57,650
we're not gonna we're not gonna take

1449
00:57:01,570 --> 00:56:58,820
them during the break but we'll take

1450
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:01,580
them when we come back on and so that

1451
00:57:08,349 --> 00:57:04,310
number will be up there on YouTube you

1452
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:08,359
can check it out and let's see at the

1453
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:09,770
last break we were talking about forest

1454
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:13,510
fires we really went off topic and

1455
00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:18,160
pollution and all that but on this break

1456
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,900
something we can talk about for a short

1457
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:23,119
time is let's talk about California

1458
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:27,050
because California is the number one

1459
00:57:32,050 --> 00:57:30,830
state that listens to this podcast when

1460
00:57:37,570 --> 00:57:32,060
I look through you know the Google

1461
00:57:39,339 --> 00:57:37,580
Analytics data and do you think the

1462
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:39,349
reason California is where the number

1463
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:41,390
one sightings are as far as the amount

1464
00:57:46,089 --> 00:57:43,970
is because of the the usual really great

1465
00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:46,099
weather and the population or do you

1466
00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:49,070
think there's more to it than that well

1467
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,040
I uh obviously yeah weather plays a good

1468
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:53,839
portion oh we noticed a big dip in our

1469
00:57:58,180 --> 00:57:55,849
sightings around the October November

1470
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,190
December time frame and I think that's

1471
00:58:01,540 --> 00:57:59,839
because most of the eastern seaboard and

1472
00:58:04,089 --> 00:58:01,550
in this central part of the country is

1473
00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:04,099
under a lot of heavy cloud cover so it

1474
00:58:07,330 --> 00:58:05,780
helps and then summertime when it's

1475
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:07,340
usually clear out

1476
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:08,870
most across most country that's when we

1477
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:11,210
get the most of our sightings so I think

1478
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:13,010
weather has a big part to play in it I

1479
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:14,090
think the other thing is you know

1480
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:15,710
California is a lot of people are

1481
00:58:20,350 --> 00:58:16,970
outdoors I mean they're doing stuff

1482
00:58:22,330 --> 00:58:20,360
outdoors you got to be outdoors we find

1483
00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:22,340
you know we find that there's two things

1484
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:25,190
and sighting reports that are common if

1485
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:26,720
you want to see a UFO this will this

1486
00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:28,670
will greatly increase your chances

1487
00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:31,190
number one own the dog because if you

1488
00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:33,230
want a dog you gotta go take your walk

1489
00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:36,020
yeah yeah and the other is smoking you

1490
00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:37,670
know not that I thought they adore

1491
00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:39,860
smoking but but I I can't tell you the

1492
00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:41,390
number of reports I read where it says I

1493
00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:42,800
stepped out of my back porch to have a

1494
00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:44,390
smoke yeah yeah and I saw this thing

1495
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:46,430
yeah yeah and so if you're not going

1496
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,290
outside and you're not looking you know

1497
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:51,200
you're not gonna see so but just a

1498
00:58:54,580 --> 00:58:52,460
little tongue-in-cheek but those do

1499
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:54,590
those two things do turn up a lot of

1500
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:55,850
times in our reports that's just so

1501
00:59:00,670 --> 00:58:58,370
funny yeah I've just so what the person

1502
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:00,680
on YouTube no I just saw someone try to

1503
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,850
call in and if you're calling from Skype

1504
00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:07,280
I think it's not gonna let me join you

1505
00:59:11,290 --> 00:59:08,660
to the call so you have to call from a

1506
00:59:13,330 --> 00:59:11,300
phone line it looks like so anyway if

1507
00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:13,340
you would please don't call back until

1508
00:59:17,260 --> 00:59:15,320
we start after the break which is about

1509
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:17,270
one minute just about a minute and a

1510
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:19,670
half you can try again but please try to

1511
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:24,160
call that number through a phone line so

1512
00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:27,290
the the population is high people are

1513
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:29,480
out smoking or walking their dog but

1514
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:34,070
also what else do you think do you think

1515
00:59:38,380 --> 00:59:35,810
there's any type of like hot spots in

1516
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:38,390
California or any report it just to

1517
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:39,430
speak of

1518
00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:42,920
well III you know Shasta my chest is

1519
00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:47,240
always yeah but also a Joshua Tree you

1520
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:48,920
know is another but I think a lot of

1521
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:50,330
those there because they're so clear you

1522
00:59:54,070 --> 00:59:51,950
know there's the nightly sky is so we're

1523
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:54,080
still clear they're obviously in

1524
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:55,280
downtown Los Angeles you're getting a

1525
00:59:59,530 --> 00:59:56,690
lot of light pollution so you like to be

1526
01:00:00,940 --> 00:59:59,540
able to see a whole lot of anything the

1527
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,950
San Luis Valley has always been a hot

1528
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,960
spot that's in southwest Colorado

1529
01:00:06,610 --> 01:00:04,640
we'll be going there here at a few about

1530
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:06,620
a month I'm here now my wife both my

1531
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:08,210
wife's parents are from the San Luis

1532
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:09,170
Valley oh really

1533
01:00:13,330 --> 01:00:11,570
they grew up there yeah just crisscross

1534
01:00:14,350 --> 01:00:13,340
O'Brien was on a few weeks ago he came

1535
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:14,360
out to visit me here

1536
01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:17,450
so race Ron is like gonna change seconds

1537
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:20,030
right yes sir absolutely okay we're

1538
01:00:24,670 --> 01:00:21,170
ready here

1539
01:00:26,260 --> 01:00:24,680
all right stand by again we're going for

1540
01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:26,270
one hour we're gonna do commercial-free

1541
01:00:38,380 --> 01:00:31,150
for the backhand for Jan and here we go

1542
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:38,390
in five four three two all right I won

1543
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:40,370
welcome back it's Martin Willis with

1544
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:43,160
podcast UFO are my guest this evening is

1545
01:00:50,350 --> 01:00:45,530
Jan Harz an executive director director

1546
01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:50,360
of MUFON and welcome back Jan thank you

1547
01:00:55,210 --> 01:00:52,520
great to be here and so we are taking

1548
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,220
calls in this last hour that phone

1549
01:01:02,740 --> 01:00:58,000
numbers up on the screen on YouTube and

1550
01:01:05,650 --> 01:01:02,750
if you're listening to kgr a radio I

1551
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:05,660
think Evan might be in chat if not if

1552
01:01:09,850 --> 01:01:07,730
you go in there and put the number in

1553
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:09,860
I'll just say it one time but please do

1554
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:12,290
not call unless the show is live I get

1555
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:14,930
calls all the time and that number six

1556
01:01:19,690 --> 01:01:17,570
oh three nine six seven four oh three oh

1557
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:19,700
please only is that during the Showtime

1558
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:25,760
hours to two hours that is so so we were

1559
01:01:30,210 --> 01:01:27,530
talking you know basically about your

1560
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:30,220
your sighting and how it affected your

1561
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:32,210
basically your brother I think we have a

1562
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:34,610
yeah we do have a call coming in so I'm

1563
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,450
gonna grab that hello

1564
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:40,880
huh it seems like it just no are you

1565
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:44,450
there caller caller can you hear me

1566
01:01:51,010 --> 01:01:48,890
I see we do have a caller on but I don't

1567
01:01:56,070 --> 01:01:51,020
think he can hear we can't hear you call

1568
01:02:00,250 --> 01:01:56,080
her why don't you try calling back oh

1569
01:02:02,020 --> 01:02:00,260
look you there yep okay

1570
01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:02,030
what's your what's your name were you

1571
01:02:06,790 --> 01:02:05,870
coming through the first name Jay Allen

1572
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:06,800
from San Diego

1573
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:10,640
oh hi welcome to the show thank you and

1574
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:12,530
if you could speak up a little bit

1575
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:13,730
that'd be great and you do have a

1576
01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:16,190
question for we have another person

1577
01:02:21,610 --> 01:02:18,020
trying to call in so do you have a

1578
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:21,620
question for our our guests sure no

1579
01:02:24,490 --> 01:02:22,250
problem

1580
01:02:27,330 --> 01:02:24,500
I first I just want to say add great

1581
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:27,340
storytelling I love the show I'm also an

1582
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:33,400
I've called in a couple times before

1583
01:02:36,850 --> 01:02:35,030
yeah it's been a while

1584
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:36,860
but I have it I I don't want to be

1585
01:02:39,550 --> 01:02:37,970
selfish but I have a couple questions

1586
01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:39,560
and then I can just kind of listen off

1587
01:02:45,970 --> 01:02:43,660
but mention how I put off earlier and

1588
01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:45,980
he's well known for his laser research

1589
01:02:51,970 --> 01:02:50,360
with Russell Targ and NASA and then they

1590
01:02:56,050 --> 01:02:51,980
joined s RIT near the remote viewing

1591
01:02:59,980 --> 01:02:56,060
program with the military and I'm

1592
01:03:02,650 --> 01:02:59,990
wondering if anybody has heard or I'm

1593
01:03:06,010 --> 01:03:02,660
wondering also why we're not hearing

1594
01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:06,020
about how put off setting up a remote

1595
01:03:10,690 --> 01:03:07,960
viewing target to learn how these

1596
01:03:15,550 --> 01:03:10,700
devices work very well how they're

1597
01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:15,560
imposed and then because that means but

1598
01:03:24,430 --> 01:03:19,430
all he knows how remote doing works and

1599
01:03:27,330 --> 01:03:24,440
then as far as so second questions real

1600
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:27,340
quick Tom DeLonge and his business model

1601
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:31,550
which I'll put off now works with Tom

1602
01:03:35,530 --> 01:03:33,530
the ones business models crowdfunding so

1603
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:35,540
it seems to reason that if they have

1604
01:03:40,450 --> 01:03:37,910
metamaterial some meta materials that

1605
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:40,460
they're studying if they could release

1606
01:03:46,510 --> 01:03:42,230
some of the information about that

1607
01:03:49,030 --> 01:03:46,520
it seems the reason that they would they

1608
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:49,040
were increased interest like like you

1609
01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:49,730
wouldn't believe

1610
01:03:53,860 --> 01:03:51,620
and so crowdfunding would just come

1611
01:03:56,530 --> 01:03:53,870
pouring in if if they're looking for

1612
01:03:58,030 --> 01:03:56,540
crowdfunding you know why why not you

1613
01:03:59,380 --> 01:03:58,040
know throw a bone out there I know they

1614
01:04:02,680 --> 01:03:59,390
they released some of the Pentagon

1615
01:04:05,710 --> 01:04:02,690
videos that we've seen and on FLIR and

1616
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:05,720
things like that but I'm sort of

1617
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:07,250
wondering those two questions and that

1618
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:09,970
if Jan has any any comment on that great

1619
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:13,370
thank you good questions yeah thank you

1620
01:04:18,730 --> 01:04:15,910
I think it's a great questions

1621
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:18,740
on the first one with regard to using

1622
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:21,710
remote viewing to kind of discern how

1623
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:23,210
these crafts work I guess the question

1624
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:24,650
I'd ask is what makes you think they

1625
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:30,170
haven't I'll leave it at that so I'm in

1626
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:31,370
that community and I haven't heard

1627
01:04:34,660 --> 01:04:33,140
anything about it so either they keeping

1628
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:34,670
it very secret

1629
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:37,370
so I'm actually writing down a thesis on

1630
01:04:42,670 --> 01:04:40,130
that topic so oh you should just call

1631
01:04:45,220 --> 01:04:42,680
Hal and ask him so I listen I listen to

1632
01:04:47,170 --> 01:04:45,230
his lectures and I go to the I go to the

1633
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:47,180
events that they have and I've never

1634
01:04:50,890 --> 01:04:48,890
heard anything about it so I don't know

1635
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:50,900
that on the down-low or what they're

1636
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:53,330
doing with it well I mean I honestly

1637
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,370
don't know he doesn't confide it in me

1638
01:05:00,100 --> 01:04:57,440
but I'm assuming because they know it's

1639
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:00,110
a tool to be used that they would use it

1640
01:05:05,770 --> 01:05:03,010
if they if it's in their arsenal to use

1641
01:05:07,540 --> 01:05:05,780
but again you I think it's best lead we

1642
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:07,550
to address it to them directly and you

1643
01:05:11,170 --> 01:05:09,350
could you could call Hal up or send them

1644
01:05:13,870 --> 01:05:11,180
an email if you if you need to know how

1645
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:13,880
to do that just send me an email at Exe

1646
01:05:18,010 --> 01:05:16,160
dir mufon dot-com well I'll be happy to

1647
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:18,020
put you in touch with him yeah I

1648
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:20,000
appreciate that I was just wondering if

1649
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:21,490
you two heard anything about it because

1650
01:05:26,890 --> 01:05:24,170
I was well known in the remote viewing

1651
01:05:29,070 --> 01:05:26,900
field yet we all we've heard is sort of

1652
01:05:32,290 --> 01:05:29,080
a segregation from his work with this

1653
01:05:33,370 --> 01:05:32,300
with this UFO stuff and he's never I

1654
01:05:35,710 --> 01:05:33,380
haven't heard him mentioned remote

1655
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:35,720
viewing in a very long time so yeah then

1656
01:05:40,090 --> 01:05:38,330
his you know well he's been he's been

1657
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:40,100
working on faster than light travel I

1658
01:05:44,890 --> 01:05:41,450
mean that's been his thing you know in

1659
01:05:46,930 --> 01:05:44,900
energy systems so he's got some

1660
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:46,940
contracts with the government to kind of

1661
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:49,310
create and produce that stuff I was

1662
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:50,960
surprised honestly to see him out in

1663
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:52,850
such public view because I've invited

1664
01:05:56,860 --> 01:05:55,130
him for 20 years to come speak at MUFON

1665
01:05:58,960 --> 01:05:56,870
symposiums and because of his contract

1666
01:06:01,450 --> 01:05:58,970
work with the government he's been

1667
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,460
reluctant to do so he spent a 25 year

1668
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:03,680
plus member of MUFON so he definitely

1669
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:05,440
sees the value and MUFON and be a member

1670
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:08,330
and he's he was one of the he was the

1671
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:11,930
only physicist that called me after my

1672
01:06:16,690 --> 01:06:13,760
conversation with Ben rich went public

1673
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:16,700
and asked me questions about it so I

1674
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:18,410
know he's definitely interested in I

1675
01:06:22,570 --> 01:06:19,610
know he's doing some great work and I

1676
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:22,580
know he thinks he's well he's telling me

1677
01:06:26,620 --> 01:06:24,530
anyway that he they know what the

1678
01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:26,630
equations are and it's just a matter of

1679
01:06:33,330 --> 01:06:30,230
taking those from from mathematical just

1680
01:06:36,550 --> 01:06:33,340
like the stealth aircraft which was a

1681
01:06:38,410 --> 01:06:36,560
Russian mathematicians equations they

1682
01:06:41,410 --> 01:06:38,420
took that at the Lockheed skunkworks and

1683
01:06:42,820 --> 01:06:41,420
turned it into the f-117 now we need to

1684
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:42,830
take these mathematics for

1685
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:45,520
faster-than-light travel through

1686
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:47,210
Einstein's general theory of relativity

1687
01:06:52,090 --> 01:06:49,370
and manipulation of space-time and turn

1688
01:06:55,930 --> 01:06:52,100
it into an interstellar trap right yeah

1689
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:55,940
well genocide as an engineer I know that

1690
01:06:59,530 --> 01:06:57,770
I know that you can't travel at the

1691
01:07:00,880 --> 01:06:59,540
relativistic speed in a linear fashion

1692
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,890
you're gonna have to bend space-time

1693
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:02,720
because you're just going if

1694
01:07:06,730 --> 01:07:04,880
you hit anything if you hit if you hit a

1695
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,740
piece of space stuff and your your whole

1696
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:08,240
ships gonna explode so they're gonna

1697
01:07:12,609 --> 01:07:10,430
write within space-time so if they've

1698
01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:12,619
worked the math out it's gonna have to

1699
01:07:16,030 --> 01:07:14,150
be an energy problem that they need to

1700
01:07:17,410 --> 01:07:16,040
solve right now and a man I can't

1701
01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:17,420
imagine when that when that happens

1702
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:20,060
we're gonna have well yeah you hit them

1703
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:21,410
you hit the nail on the head because

1704
01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:23,090
what you told me was Jan there's two

1705
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:24,560
ways to do it you either have a large

1706
01:07:28,900 --> 01:07:26,810
mass you know but but it's hard to go

1707
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:28,910
grab a mass the size of the Sun or

1708
01:07:33,220 --> 01:07:30,590
Jupiter and start hauling it around or

1709
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:33,230
you have to have a high high high energy

1710
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:43,119
energy source weight me okay I'm sorry

1711
01:07:48,790 --> 01:07:47,090
okay yes I think nothing no I think her

1712
01:07:50,170 --> 01:07:48,800
question was what about Tom DeLonge and

1713
01:07:51,370 --> 01:07:50,180
the stunt talk to the stars kind of

1714
01:07:53,859 --> 01:07:51,380
because that was just that was your

1715
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:53,869
second question right which is how yeah

1716
01:07:58,690 --> 01:07:56,240
my second question was just reiterate

1717
01:08:01,630 --> 01:07:58,700
I'm sorry for interrupting my second

1718
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:01,640
question was if if Tom DeLonge I

1719
01:08:05,410 --> 01:08:03,770
understand how the two the stars Academy

1720
01:08:08,770 --> 01:08:05,420
is set up and what they're looking for

1721
01:08:11,050 --> 01:08:08,780
is a crowdsourcing crowdfunding model

1722
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:11,060
and if they're just going to release

1723
01:08:13,870 --> 01:08:12,530
Pentagon videos you know they're gonna

1724
01:08:16,059 --> 01:08:13,880
gather a little bit interest but if they

1725
01:08:17,890 --> 01:08:16,069
have metamaterials something physical to

1726
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:17,900
make in touch and we can actually

1727
01:08:21,370 --> 01:08:19,670
evaluate that then that's just gonna

1728
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,380
blow the lid off I'm wondering what's

1729
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:22,880
taking them so long if they actually

1730
01:08:29,650 --> 01:08:25,250
have these why not announce it and then

1731
01:08:32,019 --> 01:08:29,660
let's get the ball rolling again right

1732
01:08:33,610 --> 01:08:32,029
absolutely and I don't want to answer on

1733
01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:33,620
behalf of to the stars because I you

1734
01:08:38,729 --> 01:08:35,900
know that's not for me to do but I would

1735
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:38,739
just tell you this based on what I know

1736
01:08:46,209 --> 01:08:41,690
watch this space sometime between now

1737
01:08:47,410 --> 01:08:46,219
and the end of the year right thank you

1738
01:08:49,059 --> 01:08:47,420
you're welcome

1739
01:08:52,499 --> 01:08:49,069
all right we have another call is it's

1740
01:08:56,910 --> 01:08:52,509
very very persistent so I'm gonna bring

1741
01:08:59,140 --> 01:08:56,920
this person in boy you are persistent

1742
01:09:03,010 --> 01:08:59,150
you're what's your first name and where

1743
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:03,020
you calling from um my name is Bambi and

1744
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:07,489
I'm from Philadelphia hi Bambi you have

1745
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:09,650
a question for for our guest tonight

1746
01:09:16,209 --> 01:09:13,520
yeah Jan - well what's the difference

1747
01:09:18,099 --> 01:09:16,219
between MUFON and

1748
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:18,109
to the Stars Academy how are they

1749
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:21,409
different okay well and I think Lou

1750
01:09:24,219 --> 01:09:23,210
answer this question onstage at the

1751
01:09:26,859 --> 01:09:24,229
symposium

1752
01:09:28,299 --> 01:09:26,869
you know I he made a real good comment a

1753
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,309
couple very good comments

1754
01:09:33,009 --> 01:09:30,319
one was the fact that it's not the

1755
01:09:37,149 --> 01:09:33,019
purpose of government to fulfill the

1756
01:09:38,859 --> 01:09:37,159
idle curiosity of the masses it's the

1757
01:09:43,019 --> 01:09:38,869
purpose of government to protect its

1758
01:09:44,259 --> 01:09:43,029
people and move on civilian based

1759
01:09:48,729 --> 01:09:44,269
organization

1760
01:09:51,719 --> 01:09:48,739
yes we're civilian base exactly and

1761
01:09:55,810 --> 01:09:51,729
don't they do reporting an investigation

1762
01:10:00,160 --> 01:09:55,820
yes absolutely so I mean basically MUFON

1763
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:00,170
is is the civilian 501c3 nonprofit and

1764
01:10:03,850 --> 01:10:02,570
our whole role in life is collecting

1765
01:10:05,799 --> 01:10:03,860
reports from the public the general

1766
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:05,809
public of what they see and then we

1767
01:10:10,509 --> 01:10:07,610
train investigators who can go out and

1768
01:10:13,390 --> 01:10:10,519
vet these reports and determine what

1769
01:10:16,299 --> 01:10:13,400
exactly the person saw and report that

1770
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:16,309
back to the public so I think what Lou

1771
01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:19,489
said was that the information that MUFON

1772
01:10:23,410 --> 01:10:21,260
has been producing for the last 50 years

1773
01:10:25,089 --> 01:10:23,420
was in fact some of the information that

1774
01:10:28,089 --> 01:10:25,099
they used because we make it publicly

1775
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:28,099
available to help actually justify and

1776
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:33,170
get the HM program approved and running

1777
01:10:37,390 --> 01:10:35,420
so I think that's that's very positive I

1778
01:10:41,140 --> 01:10:37,400
mean we wouldn't have had a TTIP which

1779
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:41,150
is now coming out in the press showing

1780
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:42,530
that our government is in fact

1781
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:45,530
interested in UFOs and this wall would

1782
01:10:49,089 --> 01:10:47,510
not have happened without MUFON doing

1783
01:10:57,029 --> 01:10:49,099
the great work it's done for the last 50

1784
01:10:59,229 --> 01:10:57,039
years so thank you for you we plan to

1785
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,239
okay there's no reason to stop down oh

1786
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:01,280
yeah all right thank thank you for the

1787
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:11,259
okay so yeah that I like I like his uh

1788
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,030
the the last caller's question prior to

1789
01:11:18,069 --> 01:11:16,400
that you know about getting the the bone

1790
01:11:20,589 --> 01:11:18,079
out there and I think you know the

1791
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:20,599
transparency part of of this is pretty

1792
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:24,729
important and why you know they need to

1793
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,170
no matter who they are they're in that

1794
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:29,360
seat they're gonna have to gain trust

1795
01:11:36,130 --> 01:11:33,460
of people before anyone's gonna really

1796
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:36,140
divulge something important Alejandro

1797
01:11:41,050 --> 01:11:38,090
was basically talking about that you

1798
01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:41,060
know maybe another show a little bit

1799
01:11:46,210 --> 01:11:42,830
earlier we talked about it so they

1800
01:11:48,460 --> 01:11:46,220
really have to you know the questions

1801
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:48,470
come up a bunch of times on this show

1802
01:11:53,170 --> 01:11:51,770
and that is you know why why do they

1803
01:11:54,970 --> 01:11:53,180
need funding well they're starting to

1804
01:11:56,050 --> 01:11:54,980
show why they need funding now because

1805
01:12:00,190 --> 01:11:56,060
of the different things they're doing

1806
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:00,200
that are costly so I think that part is

1807
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:04,010
gonna reveal itself but but it would you

1808
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:07,190
know I think I think the trouble that we

1809
01:12:14,710 --> 01:12:10,810
can have is the disconnect and you know

1810
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:14,720
also your your opinion on this - let me

1811
01:12:21,550 --> 01:12:18,770
get your opinion on this and that is the

1812
01:12:23,530 --> 01:12:21,560
reluctancy of you know like for instance

1813
01:12:25,780 --> 01:12:23,540
I had contacted you a number of times

1814
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:25,790
and said hey any chance you can get Lou

1815
01:12:31,390 --> 01:12:29,360
Alejandro I'm Alison doe on my show just

1816
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:31,400
just briefly and we'll talk about the

1817
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:33,170
upcoming MUFON symposium and all that

1818
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:35,510
and it has to go for publicist has to go

1819
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:36,710
through lawyers and they're basically

1820
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,650
saying you don't know to everybody

1821
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:41,120
because they want to make sure that he's

1822
01:12:48,010 --> 01:12:43,850
only on like coast to coast or or some

1823
01:12:49,570 --> 01:12:48,020
major media show but not someone I'm

1824
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:49,580
gathering this you know tell me if I'm

1825
01:12:54,250 --> 01:12:51,710
wrong they don't want him on some show

1826
01:12:56,650 --> 01:12:54,260
that could be construed as fringe and

1827
01:12:59,320 --> 01:12:56,660
some type of way to muddy the reputation

1828
01:13:00,700 --> 01:12:59,330
of of what he's doing is that is that

1829
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:00,710
kind of where that you think that might

1830
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:03,410
be going well actually yeah Lou Lou

1831
01:13:07,630 --> 01:13:05,330
would go on anybody's show he's very

1832
01:13:12,130 --> 01:13:07,640
much a people's person I mean I a sub

1833
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:12,140
yeah very enjoyable guy the problem is

1834
01:13:14,650 --> 01:13:13,250
there's only so much of them to go

1835
01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:14,660
around you know so they're trying to

1836
01:13:19,210 --> 01:13:16,430
protect him a little bit with I think I

1837
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:19,220
I'm speaking Malik aunt speak on their

1838
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:21,110
behalf but I'm just surmising they're

1839
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,250
protecting him because otherwise

1840
01:13:25,450 --> 01:13:23,840
everybody wants a piece of him and

1841
01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:25,460
there's only so many pieces of them to

1842
01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:26,030
go around

1843
01:13:30,130 --> 01:13:27,860
I'm the fact that he spoke at the MUFON

1844
01:13:32,050 --> 01:13:30,140
symposium is a monumental deal because

1845
01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:32,060
originally I was told by Tom that he

1846
01:13:37,969 --> 01:13:33,680
would not be speaking at any UFO

1847
01:13:39,739 --> 01:13:37,979
conferences so you know

1848
01:13:40,969 --> 01:13:39,749
if you would like him on your show I'll

1849
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:40,979
do my best to try to get him on your

1850
01:13:43,790 --> 01:13:41,340
show

1851
01:13:47,179 --> 01:13:43,800
aye aye all I could say is I don't

1852
01:13:48,949 --> 01:13:47,189
control him he's actually works for TTS

1853
01:13:51,529 --> 01:13:48,959
a and they booked all of his

1854
01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:51,539
appointments oh yeah yeah but I could

1855
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:54,030
tell you they he himself would do

1856
01:13:58,159 --> 01:13:56,249
anything because he seems like that he

1857
01:13:59,569 --> 01:13:58,169
feels us yeah he just thinks it's so

1858
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,579
important that people really understand

1859
01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:01,679
that this is a real deal and that it's

1860
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,329
important for us to be focused on it and

1861
01:14:07,489 --> 01:14:05,280
he's trying to spend his time working

1862
01:14:08,659 --> 01:14:07,499
with the right people by the right

1863
01:14:09,949 --> 01:14:08,669
people I mean people who were actually

1864
01:14:13,100 --> 01:14:09,959
in a position to be able to do something

1865
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:13,110
about it on behalf of all of us to make

1866
01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:15,570
it happen so we all we need to be

1867
01:14:21,469 --> 01:14:18,510
supporting him right I'll bug you until

1868
01:14:23,540 --> 01:14:21,479
you get him on my show okay we have a

1869
01:14:26,209 --> 01:14:23,550
caller caller what's your first name and

1870
01:14:28,609 --> 01:14:26,219
where are you calling from hi this is

1871
01:14:31,549 --> 01:14:28,619
Jordyn from Canada hi Jordyn welcome to

1872
01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:31,559
the show yeah great to be here Martin

1873
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:33,030
that's it's your friend Jordan just in

1874
01:14:38,029 --> 01:14:34,409
case you don't recognize Michael my

1875
01:14:38,509 --> 01:14:38,039
voice oh yes Hey how are you I'm doing

1876
01:14:40,429 --> 01:14:38,519
great

1877
01:14:42,139 --> 01:14:40,439
I had a I had a question for Jan I'm

1878
01:14:43,639 --> 01:14:42,149
glad to see him on the show because

1879
01:14:45,169 --> 01:14:43,649
there's something that's been bothering

1880
01:14:47,540 --> 01:14:45,179
me for a while and I really wanted to

1881
01:14:49,219 --> 01:14:47,550
hear him address it in fact it's been

1882
01:14:51,589 --> 01:14:49,229
brought up on your show a few times and

1883
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:51,599
better that is some of the allegations

1884
01:14:57,589 --> 01:14:54,360
that were made against MUFON in their

1885
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,599
handling of the what was seen as racist

1886
01:15:02,209 --> 01:15:00,239
comments by by the director from I

1887
01:15:04,399 --> 01:15:02,219
believe from Pennsylvania I know Jan

1888
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:04,409
released a statement after this all

1889
01:15:07,819 --> 01:15:05,760
happened but I just like to hear him

1890
01:15:11,540 --> 01:15:07,829
talk about it and just to back up one

1891
01:15:14,419 --> 01:15:11,550
more second is I myself am a last MUFON

1892
01:15:16,759 --> 01:15:14,429
member as a result of the handling of

1893
01:15:18,799 --> 01:15:16,769
this situation and I really want to get

1894
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:18,809
back on T MUFON so I just hope he can

1895
01:15:22,429 --> 01:15:19,800
make me feel better

1896
01:15:24,169 --> 01:15:22,439
and let me know that MUFON doesn't

1897
01:15:26,989 --> 01:15:24,179
support those types of comments

1898
01:15:28,489 --> 01:15:26,999
well a cab solutely bouffant doesn't

1899
01:15:31,310 --> 01:15:28,499
support it and and there's nobody and

1900
01:15:33,049 --> 01:15:31,320
move on that's a racist or Eddie that I

1901
01:15:35,299 --> 01:15:33,059
mean if we're gonna ever move to the

1902
01:15:38,029 --> 01:15:35,309
next step of being in part of an

1903
01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:38,039
intergalactic society we first got to

1904
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:40,289
get along amongst ourselves so that's

1905
01:15:43,429 --> 01:15:41,880
very very important to me and you know

1906
01:15:46,189 --> 01:15:43,439
as you know we released John from his

1907
01:15:47,449 --> 01:15:46,199
it's a volunteer job so we release it

1908
01:15:50,029 --> 01:15:47,459
from his duties

1909
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:50,039
he's very remorseful about what happened

1910
01:15:53,710 --> 01:15:51,690
it's apologized for it

1911
01:15:55,580 --> 01:15:53,720
assistant li and many many types

1912
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:55,590
unfortunately the damage was done

1913
01:15:59,330 --> 01:15:57,570
so when you have someone who's out there

1914
01:16:01,490 --> 01:15:59,340
on their own personal Facebook page

1915
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:01,500
making comments say this becomes the

1916
01:16:06,130 --> 01:16:03,930
challenge of a corporation whether its

1917
01:16:10,010 --> 01:16:06,140
corporation or a non-profit like move on

1918
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,020
is how much do we control are now these

1919
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:12,000
are volunteers we don't have employees I

1920
01:16:16,010 --> 01:16:13,290
mean I'm there's only three employees

1921
01:16:17,780 --> 01:16:16,020
and all of MUFON I'm one two three so

1922
01:16:19,820 --> 01:16:17,790
how much you actually control that but

1923
01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:19,830
at the end of the day you know the

1924
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:21,420
comments are comments and you've got to

1925
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:22,980
take action based on those comments and

1926
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,330
we did that and you know John is kind of

1927
01:16:30,890 --> 01:16:29,280
just missed himself from MUFON and is

1928
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:30,900
off doing his own thing and I wish him

1929
01:16:37,190 --> 01:16:34,170
well and you know I he would be the

1930
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:37,200
first one to tell you that he's very

1931
01:16:42,230 --> 01:16:40,620
remorseful for what happened and and if

1932
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:42,240
he could take it all back he would so

1933
01:16:46,490 --> 01:16:45,330
that's all I can tell you yeah and one

1934
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:46,500
of the things there's been some

1935
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:49,710
criticism or maybe some allegations made

1936
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:53,310
from primarily by Chris Cogswell who

1937
01:16:59,480 --> 01:16:55,770
left MUFON as a result of the handling

1938
01:17:01,700 --> 01:16:59,490
of of John and the allegations Christmas

1939
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:01,710
Cogswell admitted that John may have

1940
01:17:06,260 --> 01:17:03,450
stepped down as director but is still

1941
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:06,270
largely working with MUFON behind the

1942
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:08,850
scenes can you tell me is is he still

1943
01:17:12,650 --> 01:17:11,010
with MUFON in some capacity maybe not an

1944
01:17:15,980 --> 01:17:12,660
official director but is he still

1945
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:15,990
working with MUFON well no he's not

1946
01:17:24,410 --> 01:17:20,450
solo you can hear me yeah I hear you

1947
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:24,420
this end we just have so many calls

1948
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:32,730
coming in for some reason so they're

1949
01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:34,260
gonna have to wait you didn't have to

1950
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:36,270
wait your turn okay oh wait and now

1951
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:38,310
please anyone that calls in has to mute

1952
01:17:42,190 --> 01:17:40,050
their computer please mute your computer

1953
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:42,200
oh okay yeah I'll turn right down though

1954
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:44,730
go ahead I'm sorry about that everyone

1955
01:17:50,150 --> 01:17:47,340
that's okay so I think it's Jason it's

1956
01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:50,160
Jason right but can Jordan yes Jordan

1957
01:17:52,970 --> 01:17:51,150
I'm sorry I apology

1958
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,980
so Jordan yeah so the answer is no he's

1959
01:17:57,020 --> 01:17:54,900
not he's no longer I mean you know you

1960
01:18:00,050 --> 01:17:57,030
could be a member of MUFON right John

1961
01:18:03,020 --> 01:18:00,060
had had bought a benefactor package

1962
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:03,030
years ago so I mean he gets tickets the

1963
01:18:05,660 --> 01:18:04,560
journal I mean he's like a subscriber

1964
01:18:08,450 --> 01:18:05,670
it'd be like you know getting

1965
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:08,460
National Geographic in your block so I

1966
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:11,340
don't consider that to be this they

1967
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,050
actively evolved so no he's no longer

1968
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:15,840
actively involved in move fun I mean

1969
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:22,290
pretty ballin including but yeah and I

1970
01:18:26,060 --> 01:18:23,610
was gonna say that includes like

1971
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:26,070
planning of the symposium and working in

1972
01:18:31,130 --> 01:18:28,650
that type of capacity yeah well so what

1973
01:18:32,900 --> 01:18:31,140
he would he would he was state director

1974
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:32,910
we put the symposium in Philadelphia

1975
01:18:38,030 --> 01:18:35,610
actually Cherry Hill New Jersey he was

1976
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:38,040
the state director at the time since

1977
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,050
that time he was removed but you know he

1978
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:42,239
was guy originally set it up so we had

1979
01:18:45,380 --> 01:18:43,770
to get a different team to go in there

1980
01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:45,390
and run the symposium which we did

1981
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:48,300
Jennifer spine her team Fred Saluja

1982
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:50,310
Bill Weber and the other guys who

1983
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:54,000
pitched in to make it happen okay and I

1984
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:55,770
don't want to be to beat a dead horse

1985
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:58,620
but the allegation Chris Cogswell made

1986
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:00,840
was as recently as just a few months ago

1987
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:03,330
when he when he resigned as ugly

1988
01:19:08,930 --> 01:19:06,060
director of research for MUFON at that

1989
01:19:11,300 --> 01:19:08,940
point he his what he said in some of his

1990
01:19:14,419 --> 01:19:11,310
interviews was that John was still

1991
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,429
working for the symposium which led to

1992
01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:17,280
Cogswell's resignation is that not

1993
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:17,670
correct

1994
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:20,010
well John Sean had volunteered to help

1995
01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:21,570
out if they needed him about John was

1996
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:25,350
not at the symposium so I'd say it's not

1997
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:28,530
correct but you know I mean anyone can

1998
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:30,210
volunteer to help you know we're not

1999
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:32,370
gonna turn people away you know we're

2000
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:33,540
not gonna check everybody's Facebook

2001
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:34,710
pages and make sure that they're all

2002
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:37,410
totally clean we're gonna let people do

2003
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:38,610
what they want to do because it's

2004
01:19:42,740 --> 01:19:40,890
volunteer organization but but John is

2005
01:19:46,010 --> 01:19:42,750
no longer associated with MUFON that's

2006
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:46,020
that's about line yeah after the recent

2007
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:48,840
symposium that he volunteered for having

2008
01:19:55,010 --> 01:19:51,510
already been outed as a known racist

2009
01:19:58,280 --> 01:19:55,020
that was either quit or resigned oh okay

2010
01:19:59,150 --> 01:19:58,290
I follow you okay well thank you for for

2011
01:20:01,459 --> 01:19:59,160
answering that question

2012
01:20:04,010 --> 01:20:01,469
alright thanks for the call Jordan you

2013
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:04,020
take care thank you all right now we

2014
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:05,250
have another caller we have a bunch of

2015
01:20:09,709 --> 01:20:07,560
people trying to call in and if you

2016
01:20:12,020 --> 01:20:09,719
could please with your calling and make

2017
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:12,030
sure you mute your your computer and

2018
01:20:16,490 --> 01:20:14,489
also be patient

2019
01:20:19,310 --> 01:20:16,500
we have a caller now your first name and

2020
01:20:19,729 --> 01:20:19,320
where you're calling from hi I'm Kevin

2021
01:20:22,970 --> 01:20:19,739
neat

2022
01:20:25,190 --> 01:20:22,980
and I'm from upstate New York uh about

2023
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:25,200
six miles north of Lake George New York

2024
01:20:29,660 --> 01:20:28,500
about 50 miles north of Albany oh it

2025
01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:29,670
says I just want to let the guys know

2026
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:32,550
that I've seen some things in the sky

2027
01:20:36,020 --> 01:20:34,290
and I know exactly what they are I know

2028
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:36,030
they're not ours

2029
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:39,120
probably about five years ago had to be

2030
01:20:45,260 --> 01:20:40,800
to work at two o'clock in the afternoon

2031
01:20:48,860 --> 01:20:45,270
I left exit 21 also the North way having

2032
01:20:51,740 --> 01:20:48,870
cells and it was a very very very windy

2033
01:20:53,979 --> 01:20:51,750
day it was cloudy but didn't black out

2034
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:53,989
the Sun there was just patches of clouds

2035
01:20:59,630 --> 01:20:57,360
and I Drive a Honda Element and it's got

2036
01:21:01,459 --> 01:20:59,640
no I got a lot of visibility in the

2037
01:21:03,260 --> 01:21:01,469
front windshield so I left my house at

2038
01:21:09,050 --> 01:21:03,270
one o'clock I had a GPS with the

2039
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:09,060
Bluetooth capability hands-free and I go

2040
01:21:14,420 --> 01:21:11,850
down the road with heading south and I

2041
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:14,430
see this little black straight line up

2042
01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:16,050
in the sky to the left and it looked

2043
01:21:20,450 --> 01:21:17,400
like there was two three thousand feet

2044
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:20,460
up and it was but it didn't shine in the

2045
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:21,540
light off and I thought it might have

2046
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:24,510
been a an airliner right so I'm coming

2047
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:27,030
up the North way and there's you know

2048
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:30,450
there's a incline to the north way and I

2049
01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:33,300
lost track it between this the north and

2050
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:35,640
the south bound line lanes the trees

2051
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:38,130
blocked it out I got toward the top of

2052
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:41,280
the hill and the next exit was exit 19

2053
01:21:46,820 --> 01:21:43,650
of the North Quay which attention to as

2054
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:46,830
falls Queen for New York and probably I

2055
01:21:52,700 --> 01:21:49,770
don't know about a half a mile from the

2056
01:21:55,610 --> 01:21:52,710
exit I see this black line that's a lot

2057
01:21:57,950 --> 01:21:55,620
closer and it's a lot lower because it's

2058
01:22:00,650 --> 01:21:57,960
closer and I've seen a beautiful blue

2059
01:22:02,660 --> 01:22:00,660
light blinking from end to end of this

2060
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:02,670
little black speck know what's going

2061
01:22:07,550 --> 01:22:04,910
very well and it was it was kind of low

2062
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:07,560
and I get about I don't know about a

2063
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:09,780
quarter of a mile from the exit and I'm

2064
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:12,300
looking at a ninety to a hundred foot

2065
01:22:17,690 --> 01:22:14,370
diameter classic disc

2066
01:22:19,940 --> 01:22:17,700
salad it was all black there was not a

2067
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:19,950
scene in it it looked like it was liquid

2068
01:22:26,180 --> 01:22:23,370
metal and when it went with it no it was

2069
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:26,190
only about 300 feet in the air it was

2070
01:22:29,420 --> 01:22:28,050
going from my left to my right and I

2071
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:29,430
told my girlfriend I said you wouldn't

2072
01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:30,570
believe what I'm looking at right now

2073
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:33,030
nothing was blocking us at all

2074
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:35,190
Edison time they were like licking your

2075
01:22:40,490 --> 01:22:37,970
face right now on the screen that clear

2076
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:40,500
when it went over a head and to my right

2077
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:43,530
I was probably you know always I was

2078
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:44,730
going to turn off on the North Way and

2079
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:46,620
make a light I started slowing down you

2080
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:48,000
know she goes get out and get a pickle

2081
01:22:52,370 --> 01:22:49,440
you know when you see something like

2082
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:52,380
that I don't know you kind of freeze a

2083
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:53,490
little bit because you don't want to

2084
01:22:56,900 --> 01:22:55,500
miss what it's gonna do you're crazy to

2085
01:22:58,340 --> 01:22:56,910
get a get out you're gonna miss it so I

2086
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:58,350
started I'm watching and I'm looking at

2087
01:23:04,340 --> 01:23:00,960
driving over right and right underneath

2088
01:23:06,710 --> 01:23:04,350
it there was a circle that was dead

2089
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:06,720
center flush up against the bottom of it

2090
01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:08,730
it was color of a milk carton without

2091
01:23:14,780 --> 01:23:11,460
the milk in a light gray and that blue

2092
01:23:16,340 --> 01:23:14,790
light that I had seen was Ashley I know

2093
01:23:18,290 --> 01:23:16,350
probably not to go illusion whatever

2094
01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:18,300
because there was one blue light that

2095
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,040
was going around the center of this you

2096
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,840
want to follow counterclockwise very

2097
01:23:27,860 --> 01:23:24,480
squall and it did a very slow wobble

2098
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:27,870
from my left to the right and I would

2099
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:29,520
say that that thing wasn't going more

2100
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:32,400
than 45 miles an hour like I said it was

2101
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:32,970
huge

2102
01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:37,440
been a balloon and it wasn't no ballon

2103
01:23:43,420 --> 01:23:39,150
it's nothing that that we have on this

2104
01:23:45,380 --> 01:23:43,430
earth and so I got off to the diner ramp

2105
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:45,390
got out and walked and there's some

2106
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:46,860
pretty sorry right I couldn't see that

2107
01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:49,290
I'm the ramp I went over to the quick

2108
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:52,830
click left over off x19 there to a

2109
01:23:56,810 --> 01:23:54,570
mobile station get out in the parking

2110
01:23:59,180 --> 01:23:56,820
lot look and it was completely gone it

2111
01:24:00,860 --> 01:23:59,190
wasn't there anymore a couple days ago

2112
01:24:04,010 --> 01:24:00,870
at work in Lake George I was telling

2113
01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:04,020
this kid it was like 17 years old about

2114
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:06,270
what I had seen and he says you know

2115
01:24:10,430 --> 01:24:08,310
that that sounds familiar that story was

2116
01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:10,440
when I was about five years when I did

2117
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:13,140
it I was going to clean the very central

2118
01:24:17,900 --> 01:24:15,330
school he said there were some kids this

2119
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:17,910
thought something just like that so that

2120
01:24:22,610 --> 01:24:20,610
was just verification of it so I never

2121
01:24:24,620 --> 01:24:22,620
did report I've never made any reports

2122
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:24,630
to move on and stuff but you know I know

2123
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:26,310
I know what that is and I know you guys

2124
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:28,050
know what it is to it that's not that's

2125
01:24:33,290 --> 01:24:30,570
nothing that we have yeah and you can

2126
01:24:34,850 --> 01:24:33,300
also do that ya know it's a great report

2127
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:34,860
I mean you should still share that with

2128
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:37,410
MUFON you know we get a certain fraction

2129
01:24:40,220 --> 01:24:38,850
I don't know if it's 15 20 percent of

2130
01:24:42,710 --> 01:24:40,230
our reports every year that are actually

2131
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:42,720
from prior years and some coin mech many

2132
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:44,610
many years you know I never reported my

2133
01:24:49,190 --> 01:24:46,710
sighting in 1965

2134
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:49,200
I I actually I did put it in the MUFON

2135
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:52,410
database a little bit later but you know

2136
01:24:55,220 --> 01:24:53,760
I think it's important we collect this

2137
01:24:58,940 --> 01:24:55,230
data because it's important the

2138
01:25:02,090 --> 01:24:58,950
scientists are you yeah I should because

2139
01:25:04,670 --> 01:25:02,100
because I was going to work that had to

2140
01:25:07,490 --> 01:25:04,680
be work at two o'clock so I saw that

2141
01:25:09,530 --> 01:25:07,500
about 1:10 p.m. in the afternoon you

2142
01:25:11,090 --> 01:25:09,540
know I had told my supervisor and

2143
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:11,100
another lady that worked at the place

2144
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,480
where I was been and she told me that

2145
01:25:17,090 --> 01:25:14,820
she had worked I said you wouldn't

2146
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:17,100
believe what I Todd what and I didn't

2147
01:25:21,790 --> 01:25:19,170
tell you used to work something that the

2148
01:25:25,700 --> 01:25:21,800
CIA knows while I work for the CIA and

2149
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,710
in some sort of capacity and I told her

2150
01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:27,600
and she just smiles you as well that's

2151
01:25:30,770 --> 01:25:28,950
all I said have you ever seen anything

2152
01:25:32,990 --> 01:25:30,780
like that she goes I haven't she goes

2153
01:25:35,390 --> 01:25:33,000
but I had a friend a male friend of mine

2154
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:35,400
that lead live in Queensberry over by

2155
01:25:40,190 --> 01:25:37,890
the Queensbury school that years ago had

2156
01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:40,200
filmed something in the air and he'd

2157
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:43,230
recorded it and I think the FBI showed

2158
01:25:48,230 --> 01:25:45,450
up or some government agency and took

2159
01:25:50,210 --> 01:25:48,240
his pictures they chopped his doors and

2160
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:50,220
they took them away from him so all

2161
01:25:56,060 --> 01:25:53,040
right I appreciate that

2162
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,070
thanks a lot what go ahead I always yeah

2163
01:26:00,560 --> 01:25:58,320
what I always tell people is if you ever

2164
01:26:02,270 --> 01:26:00,570
have someone approach you and demand to

2165
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:02,280
have your pictures ask to see their

2166
01:26:05,390 --> 01:26:03,840
identification first and write down

2167
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:05,400
their name and the organization they're

2168
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,410
with because we get these we get these

2169
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:09,120
reports all the time from people saying

2170
01:26:11,630 --> 01:26:10,290
you know this was taken two that was

2171
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:11,640
taken but they can't ever tell me who

2172
01:26:26,030 --> 01:26:20,950
here we go

2173
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:26,040
we lost him yeah I think I might have

2174
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,420
done this

2175
01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:30,000
I have my own merit and I think I did

2176
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:31,800
that by accident okay I did that two

2177
01:26:37,550 --> 01:26:35,310
weeks in a row now so anyway yeah that's

2178
01:26:39,530 --> 01:26:37,560
a little interesting so we have another

2179
01:26:40,190 --> 01:26:39,540
caller on and your your name where you

2180
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:40,200
calling from

2181
01:26:48,830 --> 01:26:44,370
yeah Ronald from Minnesota I'm radio on

2182
01:26:52,130 --> 01:26:48,840
the chat so radio yep I had a question

2183
01:26:55,790 --> 01:26:52,140
for Jan I tried to contact the director

2184
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:55,800
in Colorado I'm trying to collect the

2185
01:27:00,439 --> 01:26:59,010
state directors names and email

2186
01:27:03,259 --> 01:27:00,449
addresses and things

2187
01:27:05,379 --> 01:27:03,269
stories so that we can share them

2188
01:27:10,729 --> 01:27:05,389
because I can share them on my station

2189
01:27:13,370 --> 01:27:10,739
you know I would like to my goal for

2190
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:13,380
that is to get the information out there

2191
01:27:19,759 --> 01:27:16,800
and make people a little bit more aware

2192
01:27:21,169 --> 01:27:19,769
of what we're talking about and of

2193
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:21,179
course to make people a little more

2194
01:27:25,939 --> 01:27:23,610
comfortable about what we're talking

2195
01:27:29,899 --> 01:27:25,949
about I mean the whole point is to

2196
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:29,909
listen lessen the fear of what we think

2197
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:32,130
you are those are a lot of people think

2198
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:34,920
they're aliens are evil or whatever and

2199
01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:37,110
I don't think they're any of those

2200
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:38,340
things I think there's something we

2201
01:27:43,729 --> 01:27:40,739
don't understand yet and part of the

2202
01:27:46,250 --> 01:27:43,739
part of the understanding is knowing is

2203
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:46,260
knowledge you know and so I think that

2204
01:27:50,859 --> 01:27:49,050
if I have some shows to share already

2205
01:27:54,259 --> 01:27:50,869
talking with Eric Hartwig of

2206
01:27:56,660 --> 01:27:54,269
Massachusetts sure and so he state

2207
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,670
director of Massachusetts and as I can

2208
01:28:02,779 --> 01:27:58,800
get some more state directors have had

2209
01:28:04,689 --> 01:28:02,789
experiences that can give me some you

2210
01:28:07,209 --> 01:28:04,699
know good information that I can share

2211
01:28:10,069 --> 01:28:07,219
you know on my station or on my website

2212
01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:10,079
you know which is the same radio calm

2213
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:12,420
and I think we're all in the same

2214
01:28:16,370 --> 01:28:14,489
ballpark just trying to get the

2215
01:28:18,069 --> 01:28:16,380
information out there we need to be on

2216
01:28:20,419 --> 01:28:18,079
the same page now

2217
01:28:24,259 --> 01:28:20,429
absolutely god bless you for doing that

2218
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:24,269
that's awesome so here's how you here's

2219
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:25,650
how you go about doing that you go to

2220
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:28,289
the Buffon comm website you you run your

2221
01:28:32,930 --> 01:28:30,840
cursor over join and the drop-down menu

2222
01:28:35,029 --> 01:28:32,940
comes down and about the fifth one down

2223
01:28:37,609 --> 01:28:35,039
is just find a chapter click on that

2224
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:37,619
it'll bring up a page and you scroll

2225
01:28:40,939 --> 01:28:39,570
down the page as all of our state

2226
01:28:43,339 --> 01:28:40,949
chapters listed all our international

2227
01:28:45,229 --> 01:28:43,349
chapters listed and they'll be emailed

2228
01:28:47,149 --> 01:28:45,239
yeah and there's a little box says you

2229
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:47,159
know send an email if you run your

2230
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:48,690
cursor over that little boxes as email

2231
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:49,860
you look at the bottom left-hand corner

2232
01:28:53,149 --> 01:28:51,449
of your screen you'll see the actual

2233
01:29:00,199 --> 01:28:53,159
email address you can type those in and

2234
01:29:01,810 --> 01:29:00,209
yeah yeah exactly yeah all right you're

2235
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:01,820
welcome yeah thanks for the call

2236
01:29:09,770 --> 01:29:06,900
thank you but all right so let's kind of

2237
01:29:12,979 --> 01:29:09,780
shift gears a little bit here Jan you

2238
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:12,989
were talking about the use of

2239
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:16,650
MUFON basically helping you know things

2240
01:29:23,569 --> 01:29:21,090
along here do you think do you think the

2241
01:29:24,679 --> 01:29:23,579
government if the well here is a

2242
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,689
question I'm gonna ask two different

2243
01:29:29,689 --> 01:29:26,639
questions here first of all sure do you

2244
01:29:31,250 --> 01:29:29,699
think the government and my thoughts are

2245
01:29:34,509 --> 01:29:31,260
they don't say that they know what

2246
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:34,519
they're seeing what are your thoughts I

2247
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:37,650
I think they have a pretty good idea and

2248
01:29:43,310 --> 01:29:39,570
what they're saying you'll notice

2249
01:29:45,859 --> 01:29:43,320
they're not talking about it mainly for

2250
01:29:48,379 --> 01:29:45,869
two reasons one is because there's it's

2251
01:29:49,549 --> 01:29:48,389
gonna open up a whole nother it's

2252
01:29:52,489 --> 01:29:49,559
beginning of the show I talked about

2253
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:52,499
this is step one to disclosure is just

2254
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,719
coming to the stark realization all of

2255
01:30:00,469 --> 01:29:56,159
us on this planet that we're not alone

2256
01:30:01,819 --> 01:30:00,479
and today although we all believe all

2257
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:01,829
the people listed on the show probably

2258
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:04,050
believe the vast majority the general

2259
01:30:08,029 --> 01:30:06,449
public doesn't believe or they may think

2260
01:30:10,759 --> 01:30:08,039
that there's other people out there but

2261
01:30:12,770 --> 01:30:10,769
they think it's some more far away it's

2262
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,780
not affecting me now I mean it's very

2263
01:30:18,529 --> 01:30:14,639
clear to me they're not only here but

2264
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:18,539
they're here so I think we have to get

2265
01:30:24,259 --> 01:30:21,090
everybody on that page first and then

2266
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,269
the next step becomes who are they why

2267
01:30:29,149 --> 01:30:26,400
are they here you know what do they want

2268
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:29,159
and those kind of questions and that is

2269
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,570
going to open up a whole nother

2270
01:30:33,919 --> 01:30:32,880
conversation that's gonna be all over

2271
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:33,929
the place I mean it's gonna be

2272
01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:35,280
everything from the devil and the demons

2273
01:30:41,060 --> 01:30:38,369
to you know interdimensional beings to

2274
01:30:42,739 --> 01:30:41,070
trim' travelers to you know

2275
01:30:45,229 --> 01:30:42,749
extraterrestrials living on other

2276
01:30:48,469 --> 01:30:45,239
planets to other other people living in

2277
01:30:50,209 --> 01:30:48,479
other universes other other dimensions

2278
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:50,219
and others other places in space and

2279
01:30:53,660 --> 01:30:51,689
time I think space time is really the

2280
01:30:59,989 --> 01:30:53,670
key here that's why I talked about that

2281
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,999
book by Robert Bly got his name the guy

2282
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:01,679
who founded the Monroe is too so it's

2283
01:31:06,049 --> 01:31:03,570
Robert Monroe who wrote the book because

2284
01:31:07,759 --> 01:31:06,059
he talks about these people going out of

2285
01:31:10,489 --> 01:31:07,769
body and going to these other places in

2286
01:31:11,870 --> 01:31:10,499
space and time we might find our

2287
01:31:14,029 --> 01:31:11,880
universe is much more strange than we

2288
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:14,039
ever thought it was but I think there's

2289
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:15,360
nothing that says it can't be all of

2290
01:31:18,620 --> 01:31:17,010
these things you know it can't be it

2291
01:31:20,779 --> 01:31:18,630
could be all of these things happening

2292
01:31:23,660 --> 01:31:20,789
simultaneously and getting reported to

2293
01:31:26,060 --> 01:31:23,670
us as UFOs or as ETS and we're just

2294
01:31:27,859 --> 01:31:26,070
writing it all down

2295
01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:27,869
what about the cryptids you know what

2296
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:29,940
about these these strange animal types

2297
01:31:34,910 --> 01:31:33,090
that run around where does this all come

2298
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:34,920
from and and maybe it's all tied back to

2299
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:37,770
consciousness so I think they need to

2300
01:31:41,060 --> 01:31:39,449
first just get the fact that these

2301
01:31:43,939 --> 01:31:41,070
things are real they're here they're

2302
01:31:45,979 --> 01:31:43,949
physical their technological and their

2303
01:31:47,330 --> 01:31:45,989
advanced and they're not us and once you

2304
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:47,340
get beyond that then you can go to the

2305
01:31:51,319 --> 01:31:49,920
next set of questions confidently and

2306
01:31:53,140 --> 01:31:51,329
start tackling that and that'll probably

2307
01:31:56,959 --> 01:31:53,150
take us another 50 years to figure out

2308
01:31:59,060 --> 01:31:56,969
okay yeah when when I had that tough I

2309
01:32:02,479 --> 01:31:59,070
had scheduled the one-on-one you know

2310
01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:02,489
dinner with Allah with Lois Elizondo and

2311
01:32:07,310 --> 01:32:05,159
I wish his name wasn't so close to

2312
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:07,320
Alejandro Rojas yeah I get the two

2313
01:32:12,140 --> 01:32:08,159
confused sometimes

2314
01:32:14,060 --> 01:32:12,150
yeah yeah so when I had that scheduled

2315
01:32:16,879 --> 01:32:14,070
before he had to leave on the emergency

2316
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:16,889
or whatever it was the one question I

2317
01:32:23,419 --> 01:32:19,679
was going to ask him is why now you know

2318
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:23,429
why did this come out now

2319
01:32:28,220 --> 01:32:26,010
and that wasn't my question that was I

2320
01:32:30,589 --> 01:32:28,230
think that was Stan Freeman I asked him

2321
01:32:32,540 --> 01:32:30,599
like the week after this came out and

2322
01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:32,550
that was his first question was why now

2323
01:32:36,620 --> 01:32:34,710
and that's one question I wanted to ask

2324
01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:36,630
him and there was a question that came

2325
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:39,420
in the chat room that I have to direct

2326
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:42,090
toward you but before that what do you

2327
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:45,449
think about the why now think wide ask

2328
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:48,570
the question why not now hmm but do you

2329
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:51,530
think there's some type of event that's

2330
01:32:58,760 --> 01:32:54,690
that is like heading our way or

2331
01:33:03,970 --> 01:32:58,770
something for the reason I don't know I

2332
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:03,980
I don't know I don't think I hope not I

2333
01:33:07,790 --> 01:33:06,570
think and I've written about this for

2334
01:33:11,780 --> 01:33:07,800
the last couple years as executive

2335
01:33:14,300 --> 01:33:11,790
director we are living at a time when

2336
01:33:16,970 --> 01:33:14,310
you've got all these private space

2337
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:16,980
programs you know SpaceX of Virgin

2338
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:19,920
Galactic Bigelow Aerospace you know

2339
01:33:22,850 --> 01:33:21,210
there's there's actually about a half

2340
01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:22,860
dozen to a dozen of these guys that are

2341
01:33:28,750 --> 01:33:25,860
out there Blue Horizon by V so and his

2342
01:33:31,339 --> 01:33:28,760
group Amazon I mean they are out there

2343
01:33:34,010 --> 01:33:31,349
pushing the boundaries of space travel

2344
01:33:35,870 --> 01:33:34,020
at the same time you've got NASA pushing

2345
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:35,880
the boundaries of warp speed trying to

2346
01:33:39,649 --> 01:33:37,440
get out intergalactically you know get

2347
01:33:41,629 --> 01:33:39,659
out interstellar

2348
01:33:44,419 --> 01:33:41,639
so we are right on the precipice of

2349
01:33:47,209 --> 01:33:44,429
about to be heading out there in mass I

2350
01:33:48,620 --> 01:33:47,219
mean it's no longer the 357 or Robert

2351
01:33:51,290 --> 01:33:48,630
any astronauts at event it's going to be

2352
01:33:52,729 --> 01:33:51,300
all of us out there in space so once

2353
01:33:55,820 --> 01:33:52,739
you're there it's hard to hide anything

2354
01:33:57,939 --> 01:33:55,830
I mean you're out there right so I think

2355
01:34:00,770 --> 01:33:57,949
it's just time for it to come out I mean

2356
01:34:02,899 --> 01:34:00,780
yeah and it's always possible there's

2357
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,909
some kind of event coming I don't I've

2358
01:34:06,500 --> 01:34:04,560
not heard about it I've no I don't know

2359
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:06,510
anything personally about it I hope it's

2360
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:10,050
not coming but I welcome the fact that

2361
01:34:13,729 --> 01:34:11,730
we're now starting to talk about this in

2362
01:34:16,370 --> 01:34:13,739
intelligent you know circles right we're

2363
01:34:19,010 --> 01:34:16,380
we have actually people who before would

2364
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:19,020
laugh at any of us for what we do and

2365
01:34:23,629 --> 01:34:20,489
I've plenty of plenty of people laugh at

2366
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:23,639
me you know now saying oh my gosh you

2367
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:25,679
know what you said was true you know and

2368
01:34:28,850 --> 01:34:27,570
I'd like yeah if I've been telling it's

2369
01:34:32,930 --> 01:34:28,860
true you know

2370
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:32,940
so it opens up the dialogue to a much

2371
01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:36,000
broader audience and it incorporates all

2372
01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:38,460
of humanity not just those people who

2373
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:40,409
are part of the UFO community and I

2374
01:34:45,919 --> 01:34:42,570
think that's terrific one of the

2375
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:45,929
questions that came in the chat room the

2376
01:34:51,890 --> 01:34:48,570
guy wrote something along the lines he

2377
01:34:54,590 --> 01:34:51,900
wanted me to ask you if you were since

2378
01:34:56,780 --> 01:34:54,600
you were basically hanging out with Lou

2379
01:35:02,149 --> 01:34:56,790
Elizondo no did he tell you anything

2380
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:02,159
juicy and if he did you know yep well

2381
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:06,239
know what he's heard when I write you

2382
01:35:11,300 --> 01:35:08,130
did tell me anything secret um every

2383
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:11,310
what he did tell me was look Jan I still

2384
01:35:14,689 --> 01:35:13,530
hold security clearances and I am NOT

2385
01:35:16,010 --> 01:35:14,699
going to violate violate the security

2386
01:35:18,590 --> 01:35:16,020
clearance I think there's some confusion

2387
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:18,600
back when the tic-tac video came out

2388
01:35:22,220 --> 01:35:20,489
that people were saying oh we've got

2389
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:22,230
this classified video well it wasn't

2390
01:35:27,790 --> 01:35:24,510
classified it was it was actually marked

2391
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:27,800
as as I understand it it was marked as

2392
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:32,880
not highly unusual but basically it's

2393
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:34,650
the level right below of classification

2394
01:35:39,379 --> 01:35:37,110
but it's basically where it's very

2395
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,389
important kind of stuff so they were

2396
01:35:45,290 --> 01:35:41,520
able to get it out of the Pentagon and

2397
01:35:47,660 --> 01:35:45,300
get it released for the public what he

2398
01:35:50,209 --> 01:35:47,670
has to all be is their intent is to not

2399
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:50,219
stop until they have the ear of Congress

2400
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:52,770
and you know the people who can make a

2401
01:35:57,230 --> 01:35:53,610
difference about

2402
01:36:00,140 --> 01:35:57,240
and that they have the scientists

2403
01:36:01,940 --> 01:36:00,150
working on these issues in a positive

2404
01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:01,950
way so I see everything that they're

2405
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:04,020
doing is very very positive for ufology

2406
01:36:08,060 --> 01:36:06,480
for everything we've fought for for 70

2407
01:36:11,090 --> 01:36:08,070
years or more

2408
01:36:14,540 --> 01:36:11,100
certainly I can't find fault in anything

2409
01:36:16,580 --> 01:36:14,550
they're doing Lu was very clear at the

2410
01:36:18,440 --> 01:36:16,590
symposium that look the job the role of

2411
01:36:19,940 --> 01:36:18,450
the military is to protect you their

2412
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:19,950
role isn't to make friends with aliens

2413
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:21,930
so they're they're gonna go put a battle

2414
01:36:26,270 --> 01:36:23,850
plan in place for how you protect people

2415
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:26,280
from this now that doesn't say that we

2416
01:36:29,540 --> 01:36:28,110
don't do the same thing for China or for

2417
01:36:31,070 --> 01:36:29,550
Russia and that's me speaking we don't

2418
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:31,080
we do the same thing for China for

2419
01:36:34,580 --> 01:36:32,760
Russia I mean I have neighbors who are

2420
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,590
buying homes next to me my neighborhood

2421
01:36:38,630 --> 01:36:36,960
on how yours is who are Chinese I mean

2422
01:36:39,980 --> 01:36:38,640
they don't even speak English but

2423
01:36:41,630 --> 01:36:39,990
they're coming here from mainland China

2424
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:41,640
because they have money they're buying

2425
01:36:44,780 --> 01:36:42,960
up property because they want to get to

2426
01:36:48,500 --> 01:36:44,790
diversify their money outside of the

2427
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:48,510
Chinese economy I assume and you know

2428
01:36:52,910 --> 01:36:50,730
they're Chinese but yet I mean I'm sure

2429
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:52,920
our government views the Chinese as one

2430
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:55,440
of our biggest quote-unquote enemies in

2431
01:36:58,250 --> 01:36:56,850
the standpoint from an economic

2432
01:36:59,870 --> 01:36:58,260
standpoint from a military standpoint

2433
01:37:00,980 --> 01:36:59,880
from all these other things that doesn't

2434
01:37:02,930 --> 01:37:00,990
mean we're not friends with them that's

2435
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,940
not means run associating with them but

2436
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:04,560
but the role of military is to worry

2437
01:37:08,630 --> 01:37:06,090
about those kinds of things the role of

2438
01:37:10,730 --> 01:37:08,640
us as citizens is to worry about how to

2439
01:37:12,050 --> 01:37:10,740
get along and how to how to create

2440
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:12,060
community and that's what we should be

2441
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:14,610
trying to create here right oh we have a

2442
01:37:19,420 --> 01:37:17,850
question for you Jan yeah I think thanks

2443
01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:19,430
for that that's good

2444
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:22,020
let's see Matt want to know if you

2445
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:24,960
thought that it's possible that UFOs

2446
01:37:30,650 --> 01:37:28,050
like influence people in other words

2447
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:30,660
like influenced you to doing what you're

2448
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:33,090
doing today do you have to do that's

2449
01:37:41,810 --> 01:37:37,530
purposely can't people be influenced by

2450
01:37:43,730 --> 01:37:41,820
UFOs I I think from what I've observed

2451
01:37:45,470 --> 01:37:43,740
or what I've read when I know I'd say

2452
01:37:51,380 --> 01:37:45,480
yes let's leave it at that

2453
01:37:54,230 --> 01:37:51,390
yes yeah well interesting and now I had

2454
01:37:55,790 --> 01:37:54,240
heard no this is second hand of course

2455
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:55,800
and I don't even know if there's any

2456
01:37:59,390 --> 01:37:57,570
truth to it at all but wondered if you

2457
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:59,400
had heard something similar to this that

2458
01:38:04,970 --> 01:38:01,920
there's there's another additional

2459
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:04,980
program going on then there was all

2460
01:38:10,060 --> 01:38:07,250
along besides the one that

2461
01:38:11,230 --> 01:38:10,070
the one where blue was working in have

2462
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:11,240
you heard that yet

2463
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:13,490
yeah and Lu actually addressed that at

2464
01:38:16,660 --> 01:38:14,510
this symposium

2465
01:38:18,900 --> 01:38:16,670
there was another program called CCW

2466
01:38:22,090 --> 01:38:18,910
something it was like eight letters long

2467
01:38:23,530 --> 01:38:22,100
and it was a much broader program and it

2468
01:38:25,090 --> 01:38:23,540
was the program before he was brought

2469
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:25,100
into what he was actually brought into

2470
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:26,570
that program it was as I was closing

2471
01:38:32,170 --> 01:38:29,210
down and they tried to refocus the

2472
01:38:34,750 --> 01:38:32,180
program into just UFOs because the other

2473
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:34,760
one was too broad and the eight tip

2474
01:38:38,440 --> 01:38:36,290
program the advanced aerial threat

2475
01:38:41,020 --> 01:38:38,450
identification program became born under

2476
01:38:43,780 --> 01:38:41,030
Lou and he ran that for the next ten

2477
01:38:45,250 --> 01:38:43,790
years I believe so yeah he did mention

2478
01:38:46,810 --> 01:38:45,260
that and he said that's where some of

2479
01:38:48,850 --> 01:38:46,820
that confusion comes from is that the

2480
01:38:50,590 --> 01:38:48,860
original program was called this but

2481
01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:50,600
then it got morphed into a thing called

2482
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:52,880
a tip and that's I saw that in IBM you

2483
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:54,080
would start programs to start out and

2484
01:38:56,890 --> 01:38:55,310
they'd be called certain and then they

2485
01:38:58,300 --> 01:38:56,900
morph into a different kind of a mission

2486
01:38:59,320 --> 01:38:58,310
statement and be called something

2487
01:39:01,590 --> 01:38:59,330
different but it was really a

2488
01:39:04,030 --> 01:39:01,600
continuation of the same program so

2489
01:39:05,710 --> 01:39:04,040
that's all that's all I know about it

2490
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:05,720
and Lou did address that at the

2491
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:09,250
symposium something I chatted with you

2492
01:39:15,190 --> 01:39:12,320
you know prior to the show on different

2493
01:39:17,620 --> 01:39:15,200
topics and one of them was someone's

2494
01:39:21,580 --> 01:39:17,630
addressing that in the chat room right

2495
01:39:23,500 --> 01:39:21,590
now and he wanted me to ask you how can

2496
01:39:26,980 --> 01:39:23,510
MUFON really be considered a reliable

2497
01:39:28,690 --> 01:39:26,990
group studying and researching UFOs when

2498
01:39:32,350 --> 01:39:28,700
they deal with the likes of Corey Goode

2499
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:32,360
and David Wilcock and that's I mentioned

2500
01:39:36,670 --> 01:39:34,010
something similar that to you ahead of

2501
01:39:38,440 --> 01:39:36,680
time like for instance the time travel

2502
01:39:40,420 --> 01:39:38,450
like what's-his-name bassy oh I can't

2503
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:40,430
remember his name but you know there was

2504
01:39:46,660 --> 01:39:42,800
a go yeah Andrew basiago

2505
01:39:48,580 --> 01:39:46,670
yeah so so it's kind of a good point and

2506
01:39:52,210 --> 01:39:48,590
I've wondered what your thoughts were

2507
01:39:54,490 --> 01:39:52,220
about that sure let me address that we

2508
01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:54,500
put our program on for 2017 for the

2509
01:39:59,920 --> 01:39:58,250
MUFON symposium the topic we chose every

2510
01:40:01,480 --> 01:39:59,930
year we pick a different topic next year

2511
01:40:02,650 --> 01:40:01,490
will be the 50th anniversary of move on

2512
01:40:06,220 --> 01:40:02,660
by the way just so you know oh yeah

2513
01:40:10,300 --> 01:40:06,230
it'll be a year in Irvine July 26 7th

2514
01:40:14,740 --> 01:40:10,310
and 8th at the Irvine Hilton Hotel

2515
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:14,750
Irvine used to be the Hilton but so in

2516
01:40:20,260 --> 01:40:17,210
2017 which we selected the topic the

2517
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:20,270
secret space program are the case for a

2518
01:40:23,169 --> 01:40:21,110
secret space

2519
01:40:24,669 --> 01:40:23,179
because there had been like six books

2520
01:40:26,830 --> 01:40:24,679
written in the last six eight months

2521
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:26,840
about this thing from different authors

2522
01:40:30,970 --> 01:40:29,449
and they all had kind of similar stories

2523
01:40:33,010 --> 01:40:30,980
to them but they're all written from a

2524
01:40:35,020 --> 01:40:33,020
different perspective and some of the

2525
01:40:36,970 --> 01:40:35,030
people called out in those books were

2526
01:40:40,209 --> 01:40:36,980
the likes of Corey Goode Andrew basiago

2527
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,219
and others so what we tried to do was

2528
01:40:44,979 --> 01:40:42,080
put together a symposium where people

2529
01:40:46,660 --> 01:40:44,989
could come and hear from the scientists

2530
01:40:48,189 --> 01:40:46,670
types we had James Woodward talking

2531
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:48,199
about the work he's doing at a store

2532
01:40:52,359 --> 01:40:51,290
like travel other scientists come and

2533
01:40:54,129 --> 01:40:52,369
talk about the work they're doing

2534
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:54,139
we had some notable researchers like

2535
01:40:59,320 --> 01:40:57,199
Michael shre at mark McCandlish

2536
01:41:02,250 --> 01:40:59,330
and others who came and brought their

2537
01:41:03,879 --> 01:41:02,260
review of a research study plus the the

2538
01:41:05,770 --> 01:41:03,889
attachments they've had within the

2539
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:05,780
aerospace community where they've been

2540
01:41:11,410 --> 01:41:09,650
told things that were probably

2541
01:41:12,459 --> 01:41:11,420
classified I'd be honest with you but

2542
01:41:15,220 --> 01:41:12,469
they were told things that they could

2543
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:15,230
share with the group and then we had out

2544
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,880
of the 12 speakers I think we had two

2545
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:19,040
speakers who could be considered pretty

2546
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:20,570
much out there a reason we're out there

2547
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,770
is because you can't really verify your

2548
01:41:25,570 --> 01:41:23,119
claim so you got Corey Goode who was

2549
01:41:27,970 --> 01:41:25,580
claiming he had traveled in a secret

2550
01:41:29,950 --> 01:41:27,980
space program out to I believe I believe

2551
01:41:33,370 --> 01:41:29,960
was Mars I could be mistaken I think was

2552
01:41:34,689 --> 01:41:33,380
Mars and of course I drove Asiago who

2553
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:34,699
claims he was part of the teleportation

2554
01:41:40,990 --> 01:41:37,280
team that had actually been on a group

2555
01:41:43,870 --> 01:41:41,000
with with with I think Obama at the time

2556
01:41:45,490 --> 01:41:43,880
so so we took everything for the heart

2557
01:41:47,700 --> 01:41:45,500
scientists through the UFO researchers

2558
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:47,710
to what we would consider the far out

2559
01:41:53,290 --> 01:41:51,170
boundaries of the whole topic but it was

2560
01:41:55,330 --> 01:41:53,300
all bound within the topic and I was

2561
01:41:56,979 --> 01:41:55,340
very clear in my video on the other

2562
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:56,989
website that this was really an

2563
01:42:01,240 --> 01:41:58,400
opportunity to come and hear the entire

2564
01:42:02,740 --> 01:42:01,250
spectrum of the secret space program and

2565
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:02,750
make up your mind for yourself we're not

2566
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:04,639
MUFON doesn't try to tell people what to

2567
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:08,080
think we collect data from the public we

2568
01:42:12,669 --> 01:42:10,130
investigate the data and try to weed out

2569
01:42:15,490 --> 01:42:12,679
all the non UFO stuff and we try to

2570
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:15,500
publish the UFO stuff back to the to the

2571
01:42:19,810 --> 01:42:16,880
public in fact least I like to tell you

2572
01:42:22,109 --> 01:42:19,820
about is a book that came out with Roger

2573
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:22,119
Marsh and our communication team called

2574
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:25,570
it's called the cases of interest for

2575
01:42:32,979 --> 01:42:28,639
2017 it's 2018 cases of interest it's

2576
01:42:34,780 --> 01:42:32,989
all our top cases of interests for 2017

2577
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:34,790
so

2578
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:37,520
we are here collecting the data for

2579
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:39,530
scientists used for the public to use

2580
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:42,320
anyone who liked the data that's what

2581
01:42:46,330 --> 01:42:44,480
MUFON does that's our core competency

2582
01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:46,340
once a year we put on a suppose and we

2583
01:42:51,730 --> 01:42:48,790
pick a different topic this year's topic

2584
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,740
was UFOs extraterrestrials in the future

2585
01:42:54,730 --> 01:42:53,600
of humanity based on the fact that all

2586
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:54,740
these new things are coming out we

2587
01:42:57,730 --> 01:42:56,000
thought hey this is a good time to say

2588
01:42:59,920 --> 01:42:57,740
how is this going to impact us as a

2589
01:43:02,050 --> 01:42:59,930
society from a religious standpoint from

2590
01:43:04,930 --> 01:43:02,060
a scientific standpoint from a financial

2591
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:04,940
standpoint things like that so it's more

2592
01:43:09,310 --> 01:43:07,010
we just put it out there for the public

2593
01:43:10,830 --> 01:43:09,320
discussion no one's saying that you have

2594
01:43:12,940 --> 01:43:10,840
to believe any of the stories you heard

2595
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:12,950
certainly people have to believe my own

2596
01:43:18,130 --> 01:43:15,770
story that I told but you know it's just

2597
01:43:19,930 --> 01:43:18,140
kind of it's just there for discussion

2598
01:43:21,790 --> 01:43:19,940
and it tried to and I'll tell you it was

2599
01:43:23,170 --> 01:43:21,800
our most successful symposium ever we

2600
01:43:25,780 --> 01:43:23,180
had more people attend the symposium

2601
01:43:27,730 --> 01:43:25,790
than any time in our past history that's

2602
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:27,740
not because people yeah that's kind of

2603
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:31,670
disheartening but I but I get it well

2604
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:33,440
but we had we had ten of the twelve

2605
01:43:37,450 --> 01:43:35,570
speakers who were grounded scientists

2606
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,460
type people I mean they were you know so

2607
01:43:41,670 --> 01:43:39,440
it's not like we put on a whole

2608
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:41,680
dog-and-pony show I mean it was a very

2609
01:43:46,450 --> 01:43:44,210
well-run conference and people did enjoy

2610
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:46,460
being there if you don't like I had a

2611
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,810
guy come up at this last conference he

2612
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:49,040
didn't like one of the speakers because

2613
01:43:54,010 --> 01:43:51,530
he didn't agree with them I won't go

2614
01:43:55,930 --> 01:43:54,020
into that but but but hey you're you're

2615
01:43:57,820 --> 01:43:55,940
welcome to disagree with people I mean

2616
01:44:00,130 --> 01:43:57,830
as long as you're you're agreeably

2617
01:44:01,930 --> 01:44:00,140
disagreeable I mean you know let's let's

2618
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,940
agree to disagree but let's have a

2619
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:03,440
conversation about it where I have a

2620
01:44:07,420 --> 01:44:05,690
trouble with where people throw down the

2621
01:44:08,590 --> 01:44:07,430
gauntlet and they walk away because they

2622
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:08,600
are so disgusting because it's not

2623
01:44:14,230 --> 01:44:11,050
aligned with their way of thinking look

2624
01:44:16,060 --> 01:44:14,240
i-i-i i see people at i'm i don't agree

2625
01:44:17,650 --> 01:44:16,070
with but i don't you know walk away from

2626
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:17,660
them i sit and talk to them about why

2627
01:44:20,620 --> 01:44:19,010
they think the way they do i try to

2628
01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:20,630
understand seek first to understand then

2629
01:44:24,850 --> 01:44:23,060
be understood that's one of the premises

2630
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:24,860
of the seven Habits of Highly Effective

2631
01:44:29,290 --> 01:44:27,440
People so that was whole purpose of that

2632
01:44:31,540 --> 01:44:29,300
whole whole conversation they happen in

2633
01:44:34,330 --> 01:44:31,550
2017 and you know it's come it's gone

2634
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:34,340
and we're on to the next so yeah was

2635
01:44:39,850 --> 01:44:36,770
there a lot of grief because of that did

2636
01:44:44,260 --> 01:44:39,860
you get a little hate mail but I get

2637
01:44:46,350 --> 01:44:44,270
hate mail every year so I well you know

2638
01:44:47,770 --> 01:44:46,360
I gotta tell you I was at I was at

2639
01:44:49,899 --> 01:44:47,780
Alejandro's

2640
01:44:53,250 --> 01:44:49,909
conference out of Phoenix a couple of

2641
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,260
years ago in them the most bizarre

2642
01:44:58,209 --> 01:44:56,000
person the people that spoke there I

2643
01:45:00,760 --> 01:44:58,219
mean they were just way way out I wasn't

2644
01:45:02,169 --> 01:45:00,770
buying any of it yeah they got the most

2645
01:45:06,669 --> 01:45:02,179
applause that they got a standing

2646
01:45:09,010 --> 01:45:06,679
ovation and it just it in in a way you

2647
01:45:10,029 --> 01:45:09,020
sort of see like this cult type movement

2648
01:45:13,359 --> 01:45:10,039
when you see something like that

2649
01:45:14,799 --> 01:45:13,369
happened you know and well well I I

2650
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:14,809
think that's I think that's the thing

2651
01:45:18,850 --> 01:45:16,130
that's having people really scratch

2652
01:45:20,500 --> 01:45:18,860
their heads about TTS a like what's this

2653
01:45:22,299 --> 01:45:20,510
all about like is the Pentagon running

2654
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:22,309
this thing or like as a CIA who's

2655
01:45:27,939 --> 01:45:25,119
running this thing right because people

2656
01:45:30,430 --> 01:45:27,949
we've heard the stories I I get the

2657
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:30,440
phone calls from people I worked at area

2658
01:45:34,089 --> 01:45:32,480
51 with aliens you know understand the

2659
01:45:36,490 --> 01:45:34,099
other thing the problem is you can't

2660
01:45:38,379 --> 01:45:36,500
verify any of it and and I've asked I've

2661
01:45:39,790 --> 01:45:38,389
asked Lou these tough questions like do

2662
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:39,800
you think there's a secret space program

2663
01:45:42,669 --> 01:45:41,119
well of course there's a secret space

2664
01:45:44,379 --> 01:45:42,679
program the question is how advanced is

2665
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:44,389
the secret space program because we know

2666
01:45:51,370 --> 01:45:48,770
the the X x-37b which is built by Boeing

2667
01:45:53,740 --> 01:45:51,380
is that Air Force small shuttle that

2668
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:53,750
goes up takes you know classified

2669
01:45:56,379 --> 01:45:55,280
payloads up to space that's been up

2670
01:45:57,819 --> 01:45:56,389
there for as many as two years before

2671
01:45:59,500 --> 01:45:57,829
they bring it back and land it at

2672
01:46:02,319 --> 01:45:59,510
Edwards or wherever I think they landed

2673
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,329
and words I'm assuming they do so we

2674
01:46:06,430 --> 01:46:03,920
know there's a secret space book I mean

2675
01:46:09,010 --> 01:46:06,440
it just it just is the question is are

2676
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:09,020
we out interstellar like you know a Star

2677
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:11,090
Trek or are we just kind of floating

2678
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:13,520
around and orbit around the earth how

2679
01:46:20,020 --> 01:46:16,880
far advanced is it so I don't know I

2680
01:46:21,879 --> 01:46:20,030
it's it's I think people get frustrated

2681
01:46:23,890 --> 01:46:21,889
because they believe there's more going

2682
01:46:26,919 --> 01:46:23,900
on than what they're being told and the

2683
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:26,929
answer that is probably yes on the other

2684
01:46:30,250 --> 01:46:28,880
hand and I think it's Lou put it out to

2685
01:46:32,020 --> 01:46:30,260
the group is that it's not the purpose

2686
01:46:34,270 --> 01:46:32,030
of government to fulfill the idle

2687
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:34,280
curiosity of the public it's the purpose

2688
01:46:37,450 --> 01:46:36,050
of government to protect its citizens so

2689
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:37,460
if you're looking for answers to these

2690
01:46:41,589 --> 01:46:39,440
things it's going to be through a MUFON

2691
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:41,599
or through a TSA or through other

2692
01:46:45,850 --> 01:46:44,090
organizations that might do that so I

2693
01:46:48,010 --> 01:46:45,860
just had a gentleman come visit me on

2694
01:46:50,979 --> 01:46:48,020
Monday I'm sorry on Friday he was at the

2695
01:46:52,899 --> 01:46:50,989
symposium he wants to start a policy

2696
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:52,909
group on this whole subject he sees it

2697
01:46:57,490 --> 01:46:55,250
as the next great thing for mankind and

2698
01:46:59,049 --> 01:46:57,500
I'm fully supportive of what he's trying

2699
01:47:01,700 --> 01:46:59,059
to do and we're gonna work with him on

2700
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:01,710
that there needs to be more discussion

2701
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:04,410
more conversation just like you have at

2702
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:08,489
the United Nations or in our Congress on

2703
01:47:11,330 --> 01:47:10,080
the topic you know meanwhile the

2704
01:47:13,700 --> 01:47:11,340
military will do what the military does

2705
01:47:15,950 --> 01:47:13,710
the CIA will do what the CIA does you

2706
01:47:18,140 --> 01:47:15,960
know and and others should do what they

2707
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:18,150
do with best so I don't that answers

2708
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:20,250
your question or not but yeah yeah

2709
01:47:25,310 --> 01:47:22,890
another thing you were talking and you

2710
01:47:27,459 --> 01:47:25,320
talked earlier about kind of how there

2711
01:47:30,350 --> 01:47:27,469
was some type of connection with

2712
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:30,360
possibility that helping the government

2713
01:47:37,940 --> 01:47:32,910
along with with this do you think they

2714
01:47:40,459 --> 01:47:37,950
were active in MUFON in some capacity as

2715
01:47:42,140 --> 01:47:40,469
far as doing research on cases or

2716
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:42,150
anything do you think they were using

2717
01:47:47,170 --> 01:47:44,010
MUFON as any type of tool

2718
01:47:50,450 --> 01:47:47,180
I'm not saying covertly I mean openly

2719
01:47:53,690 --> 01:47:50,460
well yeah I mean Lou told me that the

2720
01:47:57,890 --> 01:47:53,700
DIA did use our files to help put the

2721
01:48:00,650 --> 01:47:57,900
case together to take forward to get a

2722
01:48:02,900 --> 01:48:00,660
tip funded but it's publicly available

2723
01:48:04,700 --> 01:48:02,910
information I mean you can go anyone can

2724
01:48:07,490 --> 01:48:04,710
go on our site look up cases and see

2725
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:07,500
what people are reporting so yeah I

2726
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:08,850
think they use it I mean I've been told

2727
01:48:13,940 --> 01:48:12,480
by Chris Mellon that you know from his

2728
01:48:15,620 --> 01:48:13,950
perspective the people he's talked at

2729
01:48:17,420 --> 01:48:15,630
the top levels of the NSA CIA don't

2730
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:17,430
don't give a hoot about MUFON or what

2731
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:19,920
we're do I find that hard to believe

2732
01:48:22,910 --> 01:48:21,690
because I think we do important work I

2733
01:48:26,630 --> 01:48:22,920
would think they'd really want to know

2734
01:48:29,209 --> 01:48:26,640
what we do but but I could I can see

2735
01:48:30,650 --> 01:48:29,219
where they're focused on you know what's

2736
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:30,660
going on with not anymore but what's

2737
01:48:35,660 --> 01:48:32,370
going on with North Korea you know what

2738
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:35,670
about China what about what about all

2739
01:48:42,590 --> 01:48:40,050
these website Internet hacks going on

2740
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:42,600
you know this cyber cyber threats that

2741
01:48:45,380 --> 01:48:44,250
are happening I mean there's a lot of

2742
01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:45,390
stuff for their government to worry

2743
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:48,450
about you know terrorists you know so so

2744
01:48:55,340 --> 01:48:51,090
worrying about a small UFO group and

2745
01:48:57,229 --> 01:48:55,350
collection of data really isn't probably

2746
01:48:58,700 --> 01:48:57,239
at the top of their of their list of

2747
01:49:00,530 --> 01:48:58,710
things to worry about honestly

2748
01:49:02,300 --> 01:49:00,540
and and in fact it appears what many of

2749
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:02,310
them are watching it just like you can

2750
01:49:07,490 --> 01:49:05,520
on UFO stalker comm or on our MUFON comm

2751
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:07,500
website you can watch the reports as

2752
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:09,090
they come in across the board we have a

2753
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:10,320
lot of people who do that I mean

2754
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:12,090
Alejandro does that and he reports on it

2755
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:14,770
through his his channel how about that

2756
01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:17,050
maybe I'll start doing that yeah you

2757
01:49:23,490 --> 01:49:20,920
should too yeah yeah so when you're when

2758
01:49:27,060 --> 01:49:23,500
someone is reporting can you just kind

2759
01:49:29,729 --> 01:49:27,070
of explain there is you know the trust

2760
01:49:33,330 --> 01:49:29,739
is built through anonymity and sharing

2761
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:33,340
you can you explain how that that is

2762
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,810
held I mean talk about that could be

2763
01:49:38,580 --> 01:49:36,400
hacked of course but it would have to be

2764
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:38,590
really something really something

2765
01:49:41,310 --> 01:49:40,090
special for someone to want to go

2766
01:49:44,010 --> 01:49:41,320
through the trouble of hacking it but

2767
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:44,020
alright can you so what hell about that

2768
01:49:48,930 --> 01:49:47,290
element yeah so what happens and we're

2769
01:49:51,110 --> 01:49:48,940
about to put a rollout a new front end

2770
01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:51,120
to CMS it'll be mobile friendly and

2771
01:49:55,950 --> 01:49:54,280
tablet friendly as well but when you

2772
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,960
report a sighting to MUFON you go to our

2773
01:50:00,570 --> 01:49:57,760
website MUFON comm you click on report a

2774
01:50:02,459 --> 01:50:00,580
UFO and you fill out that form when you

2775
01:50:04,440 --> 01:50:02,469
push that submit button it is

2776
01:50:05,940 --> 01:50:04,450
automatically sent to the state or

2777
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:05,950
national director where your sighting

2778
01:50:09,930 --> 01:50:07,930
occurred so if you were vacationing in

2779
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:09,940
France and you saw something on the

2780
01:50:13,229 --> 01:50:11,770
Eiffel Tower and you put in a report it

2781
01:50:15,330 --> 01:50:13,239
would go to the National Director for

2782
01:50:17,310 --> 01:50:15,340
France or would go to the National

2783
01:50:19,410 --> 01:50:17,320
Director for Des Moines Iowa or Iowa

2784
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:19,420
whatever wherever it happened and then

2785
01:50:24,330 --> 01:50:22,510
they assign a field investigator to look

2786
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:24,340
into the case and review the case and

2787
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:26,110
decide what needs to be investigated or

2788
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:28,960
not talk to the witness etc and and come

2789
01:50:34,290 --> 01:50:31,530
up with a final disposition on the case

2790
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:34,300
so it's it's all automated everything

2791
01:50:39,090 --> 01:50:37,090
happens now we did put a filter in it to

2792
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:39,100
catch foul words because we have people

2793
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:41,410
who seem to like toilet jokes and rather

2794
01:50:45,390 --> 01:50:44,110
than publishing those to the public we

2795
01:50:46,740 --> 01:50:45,400
stripped those out and then they get

2796
01:50:49,020 --> 01:50:46,750
reviewed by a small team of people

2797
01:50:51,420 --> 01:50:49,030
called CMS administrators who then

2798
01:50:53,190 --> 01:50:51,430
basically remove the foul words if it's

2799
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:53,200
strictly nothing but a we do get a lot

2800
01:50:55,950 --> 01:50:54,790
of not a lot of these but we get a fair

2801
01:50:59,850 --> 01:50:55,960
amount of these where people just write

2802
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,860
in chunk they get they get quote deleted

2803
01:51:03,420 --> 01:51:01,360
out of the database basically they just

2804
01:51:04,620 --> 01:51:03,430
get removed from the view nothing you

2805
01:51:06,420 --> 01:51:04,630
ever gets deleted out of the database

2806
01:51:08,700 --> 01:51:06,430
but they can remove from the public view

2807
01:51:12,270 --> 01:51:08,710
and they get marked as a hoax and then

2808
01:51:14,820 --> 01:51:12,280
we move on but you know 99.9% of the

2809
01:51:16,410 --> 01:51:14,830
cases come through or clean people are

2810
01:51:19,229 --> 01:51:16,420
reporting exactly what they've seen and

2811
01:51:20,820 --> 01:51:19,239
those go right and they don't go through

2812
01:51:23,010 --> 01:51:20,830
any filtering process they go right to

2813
01:51:25,020 --> 01:51:23,020
the state director and get assigned so

2814
01:51:26,610 --> 01:51:25,030
now the other thing that happens is that

2815
01:51:28,450 --> 01:51:26,620
the data that you put in for your

2816
01:51:30,250 --> 01:51:28,460
personal information is

2817
01:51:32,410 --> 01:51:30,260
actually separated out into a separate

2818
01:51:33,790 --> 01:51:32,420
database from the actual report then

2819
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:33,800
those two are attached but they're not

2820
01:51:38,650 --> 01:51:36,530
in the same database so if anyone ever

2821
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:38,660
wanted to hack the sighting database

2822
01:51:43,290 --> 01:51:40,610
they would not necessarily get your they

2823
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:43,300
should not get your personal information

2824
01:51:49,209 --> 01:51:47,330
okay we actually yep but we actually we

2825
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:49,219
actually asked peaceful people would you

2826
01:51:53,290 --> 01:51:52,160
like to remain anonymous and most mister

2827
01:51:56,890 --> 01:51:53,300
Charlie people don't really care that

2828
01:51:58,540 --> 01:51:56,900
you know but but we've we never go

2829
01:52:00,010 --> 01:51:58,550
public with someone's name unless we go

2830
01:52:01,870 --> 01:52:00,020
back to him and say hey we've got a call

2831
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:01,880
from Martin Willis and he heard your

2832
01:52:05,620 --> 01:52:03,650
case and he wants to put you on his show

2833
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:05,630
is that something you'd be interested in

2834
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:07,130
and they could say yes or no and if they

2835
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:08,690
say no that's that it's over with done

2836
01:52:12,130 --> 01:52:09,920
with will let you know they're not gonna

2837
01:52:14,380 --> 01:52:12,140
come on if they say yes then we put them

2838
01:52:17,470 --> 01:52:14,390
in touch with you and you would talk to

2839
01:52:19,540 --> 01:52:17,480
them so we do get that's very rare but

2840
01:52:22,150 --> 01:52:19,550
we do get those how about the other way

2841
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:22,160
around someone someone in was say

2842
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:24,170
someone want to remain anonymous and

2843
01:52:28,150 --> 01:52:25,850
then all of a sudden another witness

2844
01:52:30,700 --> 01:52:28,160
comes forward and they they want to

2845
01:52:33,610 --> 01:52:30,710
connect do you ever do any like behind

2846
01:52:35,670 --> 01:52:33,620
the scenes connecting of people that

2847
01:52:37,810 --> 01:52:35,680
have the same you know same sighting

2848
01:52:39,820 --> 01:52:37,820
well we get requests like that

2849
01:52:41,590 --> 01:52:39,830
occasionally and what we do is we reach

2850
01:52:42,850 --> 01:52:41,600
out to the other party and we say hey

2851
01:52:44,590 --> 01:52:42,860
look we have a request from this

2852
01:52:45,490 --> 01:52:44,600
individual who'd like to talk to you

2853
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:45,500
about your sighting before because they

2854
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:47,690
have a similar one and we leave it up to

2855
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:49,010
them so we always leave it up to the

2856
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:51,770
witness if they want to some want to

2857
01:52:55,270 --> 01:52:53,330
communicate others just want to forget

2858
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:55,280
about it you know it happened I'm done

2859
01:52:59,740 --> 01:52:56,930
with it I don't want to talk to anybody

2860
01:53:02,290 --> 01:52:59,750
more about it so the answer is yes we

2861
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:02,300
have but we're very cautious in how we

2862
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:05,330
do it we got one minute left really to

2863
01:53:10,510 --> 01:53:08,719
talk about can you can in one minute are

2864
01:53:13,209 --> 01:53:10,520
you able to tell us like a real

2865
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:13,219
interesting case a recent case anything

2866
01:53:19,930 --> 01:53:18,110
you can talk about well gosh that's a I

2867
01:53:21,790 --> 01:53:19,940
there's so many cases I was tell me we

2868
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:21,800
got 500,000 a month so it's just so many

2869
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:25,250
great cases I guess my favorite cases

2870
01:53:32,459 --> 01:53:29,690
was an airline pilot back in 94 I think

2871
01:53:37,450 --> 01:53:32,469
it was where TWA pilot was flying from

2872
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:37,460
Missouri out to st. Louis out to San

2873
01:53:41,530 --> 01:53:40,010
Francisco and the plane was delayed it

2874
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:41,540
didn't get off the ground till after

2875
01:53:44,380 --> 01:53:42,290
midnight so it was

2876
01:53:45,610 --> 01:53:44,390
to 3:00 in the morning by the time he

2877
01:53:46,630 --> 01:53:45,620
got out to the way I think 2:00 in the

2878
01:53:48,730 --> 01:53:46,640
morning what time he got to the west

2879
01:53:51,010 --> 01:53:48,740
coast towards the west coast and it was

2880
01:53:53,050 --> 01:53:51,020
pitch black on the ground and all of a

2881
01:53:55,930 --> 01:53:53,060
sudden he is puck hope I looked out and

2882
01:53:59,200 --> 01:53:55,940
he saw this ILS Whincup on the bottom of

2883
01:54:01,570 --> 01:53:59,210
the of the black floor down below it was

2884
01:54:03,100 --> 01:54:01,580
pink I think in purple and it was

2885
01:54:04,900 --> 01:54:03,110
three-dimensional ILS which is an

2886
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:04,910
instrument landing system and they

2887
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:06,110
looked up in the front of their

2888
01:54:08,620 --> 01:54:07,370
windshield of their airliner and they

2889
01:54:10,450 --> 01:54:08,630
could see these little like fireflies

2890
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:10,460
flitting around it's like up at space

2891
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:12,410
next thing he saw was these things going

2892
01:54:15,250 --> 01:54:14,570
choo-choo just down the chute like one

2893
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:15,260
after the other

2894
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:18,050
boom boom boom boom following down the

2895
01:54:22,360 --> 01:54:20,330
ILS and landing and then as soon as they

2896
01:54:25,110 --> 01:54:22,370
all got down it went out and it went

2897
01:54:27,970 --> 01:54:25,120
completely black again and he said Jan

2898
01:54:30,910 --> 01:54:27,980
when that happened we were over area 51

2899
01:54:33,130 --> 01:54:30,920
oh and I always remember that I always

2900
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:33,140
remember that protect airspace so isn't

2901
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:35,330
that protected airspace well but but but

2902
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:37,490
if you flew if you're at 37,000 feet or

2903
01:54:41,110 --> 01:54:39,290
whatever you're flying west and you're

2904
01:54:42,580 --> 01:54:41,120
out even outside that you can still see

2905
01:54:44,580 --> 01:54:42,590
these things coming down I mean you've

2906
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:44,590
got a pretty good range oh why so many

2907
01:54:50,140 --> 01:54:46,970
yeah so we could see it on angle well

2908
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:50,150
hey Jan thanks so much and so throw out

2909
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:52,850
your email one more time okay you don't

2910
01:54:56,260 --> 01:54:54,170
get enough emails so you got to get more

2911
01:54:58,630 --> 01:54:56,270
so yeah yeah people are welcome always

2912
01:55:02,860 --> 01:54:58,640
welcome to write me at exe executive dir

2913
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:02,870
director at MUFON comm exe dot dir at

2914
01:55:06,910 --> 01:55:04,790
MUFON comm or you can just go to info at

2915
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:06,920
MUFON calm and it'll get to me excellent

2916
01:55:10,420 --> 01:55:08,480
all right Jan thanks so much it's been a

2917
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:10,430
real pleasure thank you it's always fine

2918
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:13,760
to - Thank You Martin take care bye yeah

2919
01:55:16,210 --> 01:55:14,000
bye

2920
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:16,220
alright everyone so remember next week

2921
01:55:21,610 --> 01:55:18,560
if you're on YouTube we are not going to

2922
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:21,620
be live but the show will come up on

2923
01:55:28,270 --> 01:55:24,050
YouTube it's going to be regular time on

2924
01:55:30,430 --> 01:55:28,280
kgr a radio that will be on but it'll be

2925
01:55:33,130 --> 01:55:30,440
a pre-recorded show that's all and then

2926
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:33,140
the following week basically the same

2927
01:55:37,090 --> 01:55:35,570
thing on kgr a radio on with Grant

2928
01:55:39,190 --> 01:55:37,100
camera it's going to be during the day I

2929
01:55:40,660 --> 01:55:39,200
don't have that time set up yet thanks

2930
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:40,670
so much everyone

2931
01:55:45,940 --> 01:55:43,280
this has been a lot of fun tonight and

2932
01:55:53,060 --> 01:55:45,950
we'll see you next week and remember to

2933
01:56:01,850 --> 01:55:57,270
and we're clear Martin great program all

2934
01:56:07,620 --> 01:56:04,439
yeah I'll be sending it up I already

2935
01:56:10,410 --> 01:56:07,630
sent some clips you thanks a lot thank